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abcdmku 5th February 2013 12:31 AM

12,000W Amp with DSP for $599?
 
EDIT:

The DSP version is $999:

Quote:

Originally Posted by abcdmku (Post 3839913)

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Yep 12,000 Watts... Behringer announced the iNuke12000DSP! I own the iNuke3000DSP and its very reliable, the DSP is veryyyy helpful with the crossovers, and power limiting. I can't believe Behringer is doing a 12,000 watt amp with two 6000w 2 Ohm channels, and weighs less than 18 pounds! I can't find any gossip of a price, but if it follows the tend it should be sold for $599??

I've seen cheaper prices for these amps, but these are the popular prices:

iNuke1000DSP - $299
iNuke3000DSP - $399
iNuke6000DSP - $499
iNuke12000DSP - $599?

Has anyone else heard anything about this amp?

Quote:

Originally Posted by iand (Post 3444691)
A message from Behringer on this issue:

Dear All,

Thanks for your interest in the iNuke amplifier series. I have to apologize for a typo on the marketing feature list of NU12000DSP.
NU12000 technically is based around 4 amplifier modules, two pairs of which are internally working in a bridge mode configuration, already.
Hence, there is no further option for bridging channels and the minimal load impedance is 4 Ohms, each. We will immediately fix the web featurelist to correctly state:
2 x 6000 Watts into 4 Ohms, 2 x 3,000 Watts into 8 Ohms

Sorry for the inconvenience, and I hope that makes sense to you.

Regards,

Jan Duwe
Assistant Manager Conceptual Engineering
MUSIC-GROUP Services EU

Going by the NU6000 specs (which have been confirmed on test) this will mean 2x4400Wrms into 4 ohms and 2x2200Wrms into 8 ohms.

Quote:

Originally Posted by abcdmku (Post 3410515)
Behringer now shows the iNuke12000 (non-DSP) version on the product list, and added both the 12000DSP and non DSP to the brochure.

Like the other Non-DSP models, This has a crossover switch fixed at 100 Hz on the back, which can be very helpful still. (seen in the Picture below)

Other than that, we find out the real weight of it:

"NU12000DSP
Ultra-Lightweight, High-Density
12000-Watt Power Amplifier with
DSP Control and USB Interface
Delivers 2 x 6000 Watts into 4 Ohms,
2 x 3000 Watts into 8 Ohms and
weighs less than 18 lbs / 8.2 kg"

The part where it says "2 x 6000 Watts into 4 Ohms, and 2 x 3000 Watts into 8 Ohms" conflicts with the power ratings on the back of the unit [in the 3D render] Seen below:


http://www.behringer.com/assets/NU12...S_Rear_XXL.png

Here's a link to the brochure:
http://www.behringer.com/assets/NU10...ebBrochure.pdf

iNuke12000:
Behringer: iNUKE NU12000

iNuke12000DSP:
Behringer: iNUKE NU12000DSP

Quote:

Originally Posted by raintalk (Post 3380637)
Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A - Page 21

Uli says "Upon request from professional touring sound companies, we just launched a very powerful 12,000 Watt version which basically contains two NU6000 amps in a 2U case."

Aha - so it's two NU6000 amps, must be some mods to get to be stable at 2 ohms per side.

"... we are currently testing some low-noise fans and are positive to be able to improve this aspect."

Later, he makes a note of the nu4-6000
"We are currently studying the market demand for a 4-channel DSP version in order to evaluate if such a model would justify the R&D investment. It would be great to get some feedback here."

Looks like new things are coming.


Quote:

Originally Posted by momomo67890 (Post 3356461)
someone posted a picture from somewhere with the map price @ 899 without dsp 999 with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by raintalk (Post 3358736)
From the Behringer NU6000 Spec sheet
RMS:
1100w @ 8ohm per channel, stereo
2200w @ 4ohm per channel, stereo

And that matches measurements on the other forum.
So really, this is very likely the same amp,
4400w @ 2ohm
Beefed up power supply and cooling and rated down to 2 ohms per channel.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViennaTom (Post 3356717)
The iNuke 6000 does not do 6000W (although the power is unheard of at THAT price level):
Behringer inuke NU6000 vs KAM KXD7200 bench tested - Speakerplans.com Forums - Page 1

So I would not expect the iNuke12000 to do 12000W.

Besides: With the iNuke6k, they saved money by omitting the PFC circuit, which can - but need not - be a problem to the ac supply. Better to have a PFC to prevent any 80A current peaks and the like.

Quote:

Originally Posted by abcdmku (Post 3356964)
The iNuke12000 dosen't use an IEC, but a PowerCON.

Quote:

Originally Posted by raintalk (Post 3358736)
That is a PowerCon @ 32 A (240v)


momomo67890 5th February 2013 12:43 AM

$899

abcdmku 5th February 2013 01:27 AM

That makes more sense, where did you find that?

DSP_Geek 5th February 2013 02:40 AM

They have GOT to be kidding. The 6000 watt amp is fed by an IEC connector?

Assuming 100% efficiency in the power supply and output section, 6000 watts is 50 amps at 120 volts. At a more reasonable 83% wall-to-speaker efficiency, that's 60 amps. As a point of reference, an IEC is specified for 10 or 15 amps -- you'd melt that little thing right off the back panel.

Then the amp has to dump 1000 watts of heat; good luck with that little fan.

I ain't convinced.

momomo67890 5th February 2013 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSP_Geek (Post 3356410)
They have GOT to be kidding. The 6000 watt amp is fed by an IEC connector?

Assuming 100% efficiency in the power supply and output section, 6000 watts is 50 amps at 120 volts. At a more reasonable 83% wall-to-speaker efficiency, that's 60 amps. As a point of reference, an IEC is specified for 10 or 15 amps -- you'd melt that little thing right off the back panel.

Then the amp has to dump 1000 watts of heat; good luck with that little fan.

I ain't convinced.

or a 220v 30 amp

someone posted a picture from somewhere with the map price @ 899 without dsp 999 with.

Workhorse 5th February 2013 04:28 AM

As usual, snake oil from Behringer.....:D

IEC connector and absence of PFC speaks alot for the flicks in this amp:o

sevenup2278 5th February 2013 06:08 AM

This amp does 4x4000W

AC Power input in Three Phase mode 3x 400V (25A**) no Neutral connection needed
AC Power input in Single Phase mode 230V (63A**)

PKN Controls

ViennaTom 5th February 2013 10:11 AM

The iNuke 6000 does not do 6000W (although the power is unheard of at THAT price level):
http://forum.speakerplans.com/behringer ... 69202.html

So I would not expect the iNuke12000 to do 12000W.

Besides: With the iNuke6k, they saved money by omitting the PFC circuit, which can - but need not - be a problem to the ac supply. Better to have a PFC to prevent any 80A current peaks and the like.

ViennaTom 5th February 2013 10:40 AM

ups.
here is the correct link:

Behringer inuke NU6000 vs KAM KXD7200 bench tested - Speakerplans.com Forums - Page 1

abcdmku 5th February 2013 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSP_Geek (Post 3356410)
They have GOT to be kidding. The 6000 watt amp is fed by an IEC connector?

Assuming 100% efficiency in the power supply and output section, 6000 watts is 50 amps at 120 volts. At a more reasonable 83% wall-to-speaker efficiency, that's 60 amps. As a point of reference, an IEC is specified for 10 or 15 amps -- you'd melt that little thing right off the back panel.

Then the amp has to dump 1000 watts of heat; good luck with that little fan.

I ain't convinced.

The iNuke12000 dosen't use an IEC, but a PowerCON. As far as fans go two fans according to the pictures:

http://www.behringer.com/assets/NU12...T_Rear_XXL.png

For the thermal buildup, the iNukes are very good with low heat, I had my iNuke3000DSP running a 4 ohm channel at max power to a dual 18 (aprox 600w RMS) and a 2 ohm channel to 2x dual 10" Folded Horns (aprox 900w RMS) and I felt no heat on the amp.

The iNuke6000:
"USA / Canada 120V~, 60Hz (25A)
UK / Australia / Europe 220-240 V~, 50/60 Hz, (12A)
Korea / China 220-240 V~, 50/60 Hz,(12A)
Japan 100 V~, 50/60 Hz, (25A)"


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