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Old 16th January 2013, 04:04 PM   #6001
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and some of us cant set us self free of that fact
"set your mind free" - I thought we left that back in the 60's

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music reproduction is NOT only about lowest distortion
I don't think anyone has claimed it is...

OK, this is becoming Yet Another Subjectivist vs Objectivist debate, so I will leave it at that.
 
Old 16th January 2013, 04:15 PM   #6002
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Removing R141 will put more "effort" on the preamplifier in front of it (~13dB more to output for the same level with the same low sensitivity loudspeakers). Maybe that is where the difference you heard comes from?
thats what I write, yes
but it does not explain all, as 2 preamps that should have sufficient power sounded dull as well
 
Old 16th January 2013, 05:17 PM   #6003
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I don't have a pre. DAC's are connected directly to the Ncore's. That's why I needed to reduce the gain.
Erik, I just ordered 2 days ago a second dac to try a "no pre" system
(=> 2 way active crossover)
I plan to use a DSP with volume control, maybe a nanoDIGI.
In your case, how do you control volume ?

Concerning the sound quality with or without R141, I did not notice any change with a passive attenuator (TVC). (2 day ABX test, the time to fix my Ncore... )
 
Old 16th January 2013, 05:27 PM   #6004
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I got two sets of ncore, one with and one without r141. I haven't noticed any different in sound between them (other than the latter was quieter). The problem must have been somewhere else than absence of r141 if there was a huge difference in sq.

I could take "i could hear a small difference", but "it was barely HiFi"...come on .
 
Old 16th January 2013, 05:37 PM   #6005
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In your case, how do you control volume ?
In this:

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(digital volume control, before the DAC's)
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Old 16th January 2013, 06:03 PM   #6006
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ok, 2 DACS ?
I use a Touch, but I need another solution, I want to use the system to watch movies also ...
 
Old 16th January 2013, 06:48 PM   #6007
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I run the Squeezebox output through a digital XO, ending up from an 8-channel DAC. Currently I use only six channels.
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Old 16th January 2013, 07:54 PM   #6008
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ok, 2 DACS ?
I use a Touch, but I need another solution, I want to use the system to watch movies also ...
This and its optical out has been serving my movie (and music) needs for sometime already:
http:// http://www.origenae.co.kr/en/htpc_s10v.htm

Simply cannot be beaten in versatility...

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Timo

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Old 16th January 2013, 09:56 PM   #6009
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The dilemma of low distortion equipment, or systems, is that you can then listen "deeper" into the sound without effort: mediocre sound smears everything with a relatively uniform patina, which may be pleasant, or unpleasant, and one tends to listen to the outside surface of the musical happenings. So, if you can listen further into the mix then your ear adjusts, and realises that something that didn't register before is very clear, and in fact is "wrong", could be improved. Hence the journey continues ...

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Old 17th January 2013, 12:35 AM   #6010
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I got two sets of ncore, one with and one without r141. I haven't noticed any different in sound between them
your system is not resolving.
back to square one!
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