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Join Date: Dec 2007
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About 4 companies sell both half-and full bridge class D modules
from 100 watts to 1000 watts at reasonable prices for ex. a 1000 watt full bridge configurable as 2 250 watt half bridge comes for 300 Euros, of course without power supply. However these devices cannot compete with analog HiFi amps. Based on available literature on error feedforward correction I figured out it is possible to have a close error nulling with a particular realization of error feedforward , the current dumping solution. This error correction method is widely in use in radio frequency power amplifiers etc. where negative feedback is not applicable. Such error nulled class D are a perfect solution for active shelf speaker boxes where analog amps take up too much "acoustical" volume. |
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Join Date: Sep 2005
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Hello hahfran,
In regards to error feedforward and the current dumping principle for class D, look up "SMALA" (switch mode assisted linear amplifier). I *think* the SMALA concept is based on the error feedforward correction, and today there are several IEEE papers on the topic (the "Class K" amplifier, for example). |
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Join Date: May 2006
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thanks interesting but no SMALA is apparently not an error feedforward correction design. I looked a bit deeper in the theory. The class A amp is way above my restricted DIY means if the principle of error nulling ( and thus omitting the class D LC output filter ) is to be achieved: ultra-fast , very high open loop gain, very high gain bandwidth product around 2-5 watts up to 10 MHz... ( for 250 watts class D output ) and of course vanishing distortion in this range of operation. someone with lab equipment experienced in PCB high frequency layout can certainly accomplish such an class A amp but I cannot that would be wasting money and time. Nevertheless it were interesting because of theoretical advantages at least 80% efficiency at full power, zero distortion up to fifth harmonic no bulky radio wave emitting output filter... |
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Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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hahfran: Over the years, I have been quite interested in the Sansui and Denon approaches to FF-EC, and I was also considering a similar topology some time ago (Class D + Class A/AB feedforward error correction). I talked to another EE friend about this, and he mentioned that Yamaha had put some effort into this area, and that they had a patent on the technique. I think that in Japan it was called "Parallel Hybrid" or something like that.
I believe that you will need some kind of combining network between the primary output stage and the error-corrector (even if the primary stage operates in class AB or B). Therefore rather than attempting to banish the class D LC output filter entirely, it may be more efficient to work on optimal integration of the combining network and LC output filter. BTW, the error corrector in the Sansui (for a power amp rated at 130W into 8ohms) consisted of a 2SK213/2SJ76 pair, and these are lateral MOSFETs in a TO-220 package. They have good frequency extension, but not so much power-handling capability. IIRC, the error corrector had a voltage gain of 1. In any case, I agree that this is a worthwhile area to pursue. regards and hth, jonathan carr
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"I think that in Japan it was called "Parallel Hybrid" or something like that."
--> FYI, I did a quick search on "Parallel Hybrid" and Amplifier, and I found this paper from IEEE: "Modeling of a parallel hybrid power audio amplifier" by Lorenzo Chiesi, Emilio Lorenzani, Giovanni Franceschini Alberto Bellini Just as an observation, in most of these designs I see, the output capacitor of the Class D amplifier is omitted (I think the idea is that the class AB amplifier is supposed to "take over" the filtering duties that the capacitor normally does). |
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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Join Date: Jul 2002
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Steven: A very informative read. Thank you!
regards, jonathan carr
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Warsaw
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I don't know about any commercial or DIY class D error correction amp.
Vanderkoy and Lipshitz mentioned experimentig with current dumping in the original quad405 article |
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Join Date: Dec 2007
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Imo given the average DIY audio amateur a class D amp is in terms of PCB design above the means especially if switching frequency is in the range of 500 kHz. However recently I've seen a special offer a class D amp 60 watts in 8 ohms size of a cigarette box for 99 Euros. No data given except minimum load is 6 Ohms. That were interesting to use this device in a current dumping configuration because the requirements for the class A are moderate. |
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