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Old 11th February 2008, 09:54 AM   #31
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heatsink not grounded, 10 pieces of mica between to247 and heatsink (low side mosfet)
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Old 11th February 2008, 10:11 AM   #32
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I think there is no way around some detailed Jitter measurements.
Does you scope offer something like a 1:10 time base magnifier? What you need is the possibility to trigger
on one edge of the comparator output and watch the next following edge of the same direction. You need to do this with a time basis of 10ns.
Then simply step through the entire circuit.
Always trigger to the comparator output and watch the next edge with the second chanel at:
Comparator output, level shifter output, driver outputs, half bridge output.
You will find some jitter which is getting larger step by step. With some good luck you will find one stage, which is dominating the jitter.
Is the noise really sounding like white noise?
Jitter tends to sound slightly more nervous, less continuous.
Please note already 10ns random Jitter are audible. Imagine your period might be 4us (?). Then 10ns are already 1/4000, means -72db of full power....

How loud is your noise? In which distance of the tweeter can you hear it, without music? 10cm? 50cm?....?
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Old 11th February 2008, 10:17 AM   #33
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Continuous hiss noise, like tape players. Distance? about 10m on good quality Precision Devices 2inch driver...
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Old 11th February 2008, 10:18 AM   #34
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BTW:
It should theortically work to see the jitter even at same edge to which you might trigger.
...except the comparator jitter of course.
But you should find the jitter errors of all follwing stages. Ideally the edges should have a constant delay vs. the comparator output, but in reality they will vary a little bit. A analogue scope displays this very nice by a thick unprecise looking edge.
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Old 11th February 2008, 10:20 AM   #35
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You hear it in 10m distance?
Ooohps!
Then probably 50ns time base will work to find your jitter...
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Old 11th February 2008, 10:44 AM   #36
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Regarding noise/jitter from the comparator:
Do you know how large the signals at your comparator input are? If they are just a few 10mV...100mV, you might suffer from every small imperfection of your modulator layout and also from noise on the comparator supply.
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Old 11th February 2008, 10:52 AM   #37
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Measurements taken before without modulator sch. Only power stage, 250 kHz clock 50% and deadtime generator with logic gates HCT series with value shown in my sch (post 3)

Here is my measurements on closed feedback loop (with LM319 comparator, feedback after the filter)
Triangle generator (1v/0.5us):
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Old 11th February 2008, 10:54 AM   #38
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comparator output
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Old 11th February 2008, 10:56 AM   #39
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with deadtime (just before 6n137)
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Old 11th February 2008, 11:10 AM   #40
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6n137 output
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