Sigma Delta ICs

d1983 · 1st November 2007, 12:35 AM

I was curious if any of you knew of any Sigma-Delta chips that would have an output of the sigma-delta modulated signal rather than a 2's compliment serial out. Or, am I best off to try and design up my own?
Thanks!

fdeck · 2nd November 2007, 03:23 AM

It's not a chip, but Tekko has it here:

Another classd from Tekko Audio Labs

Remove the "power output" stage, and you've got a basic sigma delta.

Remove the flip-flop and it is a self-oscillating Class D.

phase_accurate · 2nd November 2007, 08:12 AM

Designing a sigma-delta loop is not that difficult in theory but practical implementation can be a PITA.

There was once a two-chip delta sigma ADC by Burr-Brown that consisted of the delta-sigma modulator/converter and the decimation filter in two seperate ICs. But the delta-sigma converter was 4 bit - I guess that you are looking for a one-bit solution, don't you ?

Regards

Charles

d1983 · 2nd November 2007, 12:33 PM

Yeah. A one bit stream is really what I'm looking for.
Thanks for the point to the post though. I thought I'd looked through just about all the posts here.

phase_accurate · 2nd November 2007, 01:19 PM

Since you are a student of engineering you probably have access to the JAES, have you ?

There was an interesting article in Vol 52 March 2004 of the JAES called: "One-Bit audio: An Overview"

This is a good article to give you some basic understanding of DS modulators.

Regards

Charles

phase_accurate · 2nd November 2007, 01:39 PM

And here is a nice paper by Bruno Putzeys showing some interesting design -details/-decisions of a practical implementation of a high quality audio ADC :

http://www.grimmaudio.com/whitepaper...0converter.pdf

Regards

Charles

d1983 · 2nd November 2007, 03:07 PM

I just re-read my post and realized that it sounded sort of.... abrupt.
I read through that thread and it was amazingly helpful, I haven't noticed it before.
And I am looking for a single bit stream. I've started plugging away in OrCAD to try and design one up.
If anyone has any hints about designing the integrator or choosing components I'd love to hear about them, or even if I could be pointed towards another good thread or site that'd be great!
Thanks everyone for your help.

phase_accurate · 2nd November 2007, 03:16 PM

What I could offer you is a simulation model for a DS amp with fourth order loop and a 8 Ms/s sampling rate.

It uses just basic models like voltage controlled voltage sources.

If this is of any help let me know.

Regards

Charles

d1983 · 3rd November 2007, 09:49 PM

phase_accurate :
That would be so great! I would definitely appreciate that! would you like to email it to me, or what's best?

Gorilla · 4th November 2007, 02:04 PM

Analog's AD7400 or AD7401 output a raw 2nd order stream.

The 16-bit rating they are given is from AFAIK the decimation filter they use for performance analysis in the datasheet.

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2nd November 2007, 03:23 AM	#2
fdeck diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin	It's not a chip, but Tekko has it here: Another classd from Tekko Audio Labs Remove the "power output" stage, and you've got a basic sigma delta. Remove the flip-flop and it is a self-oscillating Class D.

2nd November 2007, 08:12 AM	#3
phase_accurate diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland	Designing a sigma-delta loop is not that difficult in theory but practical implementation can be a PITA. There was once a two-chip delta sigma ADC by Burr-Brown that consisted of the delta-sigma modulator/converter and the decimation filter in two seperate ICs. But the delta-sigma converter was 4 bit - I guess that you are looking for a one-bit solution, don't you ? Regards Charles

2nd November 2007, 12:33 PM	#4
d1983 diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2007	Yeah. A one bit stream is really what I'm looking for. Thanks for the point to the post though. I thought I'd looked through just about all the posts here.

2nd November 2007, 01:19 PM	#5
phase_accurate diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland	Since you are a student of engineering you probably have access to the JAES, have you ? There was an interesting article in Vol 52 March 2004 of the JAES called: "One-Bit audio: An Overview" This is a good article to give you some basic understanding of DS modulators. Regards Charles

2nd November 2007, 01:39 PM	#6
phase_accurate diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland	And here is a nice paper by Bruno Putzeys showing some interesting design -details/-decisions of a practical implementation of a high quality audio ADC : http://www.grimmaudio.com/whitepaper...0converter.pdf Regards Charles

2nd November 2007, 03:07 PM	#7
d1983 diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2007	I just re-read my post and realized that it sounded sort of.... abrupt. I read through that thread and it was amazingly helpful, I haven't noticed it before. And I am looking for a single bit stream. I've started plugging away in OrCAD to try and design one up. If anyone has any hints about designing the integrator or choosing components I'd love to hear about them, or even if I could be pointed towards another good thread or site that'd be great! Thanks everyone for your help.

2nd November 2007, 03:16 PM	#8
phase_accurate diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland	What I could offer you is a simulation model for a DS amp with fourth order loop and a 8 Ms/s sampling rate. It uses just basic models like voltage controlled voltage sources. If this is of any help let me know. Regards Charles

3rd November 2007, 09:49 PM	#9
d1983 diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2007	phase_accurate : That would be so great! I would definitely appreciate that! would you like to email it to me, or what's best?

4th November 2007, 02:04 PM	#10
Gorilla diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Rotherham	Analog's AD7400 or AD7401 output a raw 2nd order stream. The 16-bit rating they are given is from AFAIK the decimation filter they use for performance analysis in the datasheet.

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