I would like to try to build some sort of stepup amp to amplify my phono cartridge going into an MM phono stage. Essentially do an opamp stepup stage.....if possible. My cartridge is a Denon 103R with .28mV output. I would assume someone has explored this already but I haven't found info. Is it possible to do this lowlevel cartridge output justice? Thanks for any info you can provide.
Tom
Tom
a better solution to a head amp might be the single fet as shown in
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81575&highlight=
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81575&highlight=
You will have no problem using step-up transformers with your DL-103. The Altec 4722 should do. It's common and relatively cheap. I believe it has a ratio of 1:18. Step-up transformers go hand-in-hand with the DL-103 and Ortofon SPU.
You might have to parallel a 10k resistor to match the load.
You might have to parallel a 10k resistor to match the load.
Konnichiwa,
Few Op-Amp's are quiet enough. Those that are are very expensive, hard to get and in order to not make their low noise worse need very low resistance feedback network which heavily load the outputs making the sound worse.
An affordable transformer that works well enough with a 103 is the Amplimo TM3.
Others have mentioned the "single gemstone headamp", which originiating the japano-french envoironment of Kaneta, l'Audiophile and co is seriously good. Here a version redrawn as stand alone pure headamp....
This is as build this time, you can increase the values of all PSU capacitors as large as the space you have and you can get them, mains transformer needs to be off-board, current consumption is around 30mA.
You could also try just a set of 10 Rechargable NIMH Cells, if you get the 2100mAH AA cells you should get 11 days constant non stop play from a single full charge. In that case the batteries replace the PSU from the 7812 onwards.
Sayonara
tommytube said:
Few Op-Amp's are quiet enough. Those that are are very expensive, hard to get and in order to not make their low noise worse need very low resistance feedback network which heavily load the outputs making the sound worse.
An affordable transformer that works well enough with a 103 is the Amplimo TM3.
Others have mentioned the "single gemstone headamp", which originiating the japano-french envoironment of Kaneta, l'Audiophile and co is seriously good. Here a version redrawn as stand alone pure headamp....
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
This is as build this time, you can increase the values of all PSU capacitors as large as the space you have and you can get them, mains transformer needs to be off-board, current consumption is around 30mA.
You could also try just a set of 10 Rechargable NIMH Cells, if you get the 2100mAH AA cells you should get 11 days constant non stop play from a single full charge. In that case the batteries replace the PSU from the 7812 onwards.
Sayonara
Konnichiwa,
Thanks for the flowers.
Variations of this theme where my MC Stepups for a long time. I only found one MC Stepup transformer I really liked before the custom designed (and ultra expensive) S&B TX-103, an ancient grampian console Amp pull (quite similar to the Altecs you mention, but mo bigga an betta).
Given that the 2SK170 from Shuro costs 58 Euro Cents and the rest of the parts even at high quality cost very little it is a worthwhile little device for stepup.
Sayonara
phn said:
Thanks for the flowers.
Variations of this theme where my MC Stepups for a long time. I only found one MC Stepup transformer I really liked before the custom designed (and ultra expensive) S&B TX-103, an ancient grampian console Amp pull (quite similar to the Altecs you mention, but mo bigga an betta).
Given that the 2SK170 from Shuro costs 58 Euro Cents and the rest of the parts even at high quality cost very little it is a worthwhile little device for stepup.
Sayonara
Konnichiwa Stereo San,
This version does 20db pretty much on the dot.
If you give 4V/kOhm more supply voltage the gain scales lineary with the drain load. You can think of the J-Fet as a trasconductance cell with (due to the 68R source resistor) around 10mV/V transconductance....
So if you up the pre-regulator to a 7818 and the main regulator to a 7815 you can increase the Drain load from 1K to 1K8 and get around 25db stepup.
The next round up would be 7824 (and more AC) & 7818 as regulators and 2K7 Drain load for nearly 30cb stepup.
Ein remains all the time around 2nV|/Hz due to the added circuit resistances.
BTB, in my case this is part of a complete Phonostage, which is pretty traditional, but non the worse, sonically, for it:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=942394#post942394
Sayonara
PS, I noticed the OPA1632 via your website. I'll be cooking something with it soon....
HBarske said:
This version does 20db pretty much on the dot.
If you give 4V/kOhm more supply voltage the gain scales lineary with the drain load. You can think of the J-Fet as a trasconductance cell with (due to the 68R source resistor) around 10mV/V transconductance....
So if you up the pre-regulator to a 7818 and the main regulator to a 7815 you can increase the Drain load from 1K to 1K8 and get around 25db stepup.
The next round up would be 7824 (and more AC) & 7818 as regulators and 2K7 Drain load for nearly 30cb stepup.
Ein remains all the time around 2nV|/Hz due to the added circuit resistances.
BTB, in my case this is part of a complete Phonostage, which is pretty traditional, but non the worse, sonically, for it:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=942394#post942394
Sayonara
PS, I noticed the OPA1632 via your website. I'll be cooking something with it soon....
Re: Re: Phono stage stepup with opamps?
The AD745 is quiet and fast enough -- but a little pricey (around $7). It's used in hydrophones, ceramic transducers etc. Walt Jung describes an MC RIAA corrected preamp in the "Op Amp Applications Handbook" (but there is an error in the schematic).
The FET's are a good idea -- Erno Borberly has several designs on his website -- www.borberlyaudio.com you are free to use them on your own, or can purchase PCB's from him. He also has PDF's of the various articles that he has written for AudioXpress.
here's an idea adapted from Linear Tech's LT1115 datasheet:
Kuei Yang Wang said:
The AD745 is quiet and fast enough -- but a little pricey (around $7). It's used in hydrophones, ceramic transducers etc. Walt Jung describes an MC RIAA corrected preamp in the "Op Amp Applications Handbook" (but there is an error in the schematic).
The FET's are a good idea -- Erno Borberly has several designs on his website -- www.borberlyaudio.com you are free to use them on your own, or can purchase PCB's from him. He also has PDF's of the various articles that he has written for AudioXpress.
here's an idea adapted from Linear Tech's LT1115 datasheet:
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It my be the case in theory but what about when you have a cartridge connected, maybe a rather high level MC? The goal is the have noise 20-30 dB lower than the vinyl noise and you should hear any noise when the volume is turned up and the needle ins't in any track.Kuei Yang Wang said:
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Konnichiwa,
That would actually connect (in my case and all others here) to the MM Input.
Correct. However the AD745 is nearly as noisy as the OPA637, which is a little too noisy for low output MC's (I tried).
Sayonara
Konnichiwa,
peranders said:
That would actually connect (in my case and all others here) to the MM Input.
peranders said:
Correct. However the AD745 is nearly as noisy as the OPA637, which is a little too noisy for low output MC's (I tried).
Sayonara
Hi all,
I'm nearly ready to solder this little step-up and I need an opinion from those of you having hands on experience with Black Gate staff.
I would like to try a BG Standard for the 330 uF decoupling cap. In that case should I keep the 1 uf wima bypass or leave the BG alone ?
Has anyone build this little creature ?
Any opinion/advice will be appreciated.
I'm nearly ready to solder this little step-up and I need an opinion from those of you having hands on experience with Black Gate staff.
I would like to try a BG Standard for the 330 uF decoupling cap. In that case should I keep the 1 uf wima bypass or leave the BG alone ?
Has anyone build this little creature ?
Any opinion/advice will be appreciated.
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