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[maxro]

Originally posted by jleaman



I never said id didn't sound bad or lok bad. I just said 1800$ is way over priced for soemthng that consist's of maybe 200$ worth of part's. ( in this product. )

I'm not saying that c-plus tastes bad, but I bet that $1 can of pop in your avatar contains about 5 cents cost of actual sody-pop.

Max

[karma]

Originally posted by jleaman



I never said id didn't sound bad or lok bad. I just said 1800$ is way over priced for soemthng that consist's of maybe 200$ worth of part's. ( in this product. )

i said personaly myself, not you Silly lol

[lohk]

These boring "hey thats overpriced!" discussions...
You do not know how little money it cost to manufacture - say - a NAD amplifier. When Stan Curtis (of Cambridge Audio fame) was asked to design the classic NAD3020, he was told that it should cost not more than 17$, as far as I remember. When we were selling those in Austria (I was in retail then, way back in the eighties) they costed appr. 200EUR, halve of that amount was our profit margin...
One should be realistic with handmade amps (very high manufacturing costs, long development, small numbers, etc.). Maybe I do want to pay 2000$ for an amp like this, but mainly because I make the amps myself. Mine generally are - not like most of yours - much less pretty even than the Kore-Eda, soldering the parts is not making the actual amplifier, case work is pretty time consuming too - and not everybody is talented like PD and others.

I find it interesting how many different approaches with good sounding chipamps exist, although there seem to be so little variationpossibilities. I have made many in the meantime, some of them sounded extremly good, almost breathtakingly good, but some were merly average, or nothing special. It is still not very clear why: Sometimes it seems that i just altered one part, and sound changes completely. But even worse: Often one modification in one setup changes the sound to the good, in another setup it was without any effect. You probably know that.
Remember the times when everybody was wondering what the actual chip used in the GC was - finding out did solve the riddle immediatly. How much time we all put into searching and researching in the meantime (if I should also sell my amps, they would be much more costly than the Kore-Edas, concerning all the worktime...)

[phn]

Nike sneakers are made in some sweatshop for about $5 and then are sold for $500 or more. Would Nike sell more sneakers if it priced them at $100? No. The exclusivity would be gone. The desirability would be gone. The people that pay $500 for Nikes would never wear some "lousy" $100 sneakers. They would buy a pair $500 Adidas instead.

Few, if any, people on this forum would pay $3500 for a Kore-eda pre/power amp combo. People here either build from scratch or get some cheapo stuff and modify it.

But regardless if you pay $3500 for an amp or build it, it all comes down to self-realization; self-gratification.

We are all hams at heart.

[ash_dac]

Originally posted by superhkm


The Gaincard price reflected R&D, and I have yet to see someone who has actually heard it, claim it was a marketing ploy, and not quite simply a terrific amp worth the price. Before the Clones and Clowns.

Hi,

Isn't a large proportion of the typical R&D costs lumped onto the manufacturer who designed the chip, and built the chip for a particular purpose. This makes pretty good business sense.

However, following or tweaking the datasheets could mean that differences in commercial units might come down to aesthetics alone, and also DIY units should match or even excel commercial offerings.

I may build a gainclone (the biggest problem I see is in designing/ building the casework).

[danon]

In the meantime, a positive review of the Kore-eda LLA-1 preamp and
PLA-1 amp at dagogo (Nov, 2006), but no detail on active components:

http://www.dagogo.com/Kore-edaAmpSystm.html

[eeka chu]

where's that link to the guy selling oil to rub on your solid state components for a tube sound gone....

[carawu]

http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm

[superhkm]

Originally posted by eeka chu
where's that link to the guy selling oil to rub on your solid state components for a tube sound gone....

You do realize this is way O.T.

Or are you trying to make a point? You infidel !