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Onvinyl 27th March 2006 09:10 AM

Opamp layout rules
 
Hi,
I have a few questions concerning proper (or maybe optimum :angel: ) physical layout of an opamp circuit with not-so-easy to tame chips and tiny input signals.
1) What to do with internally-not-connected-pins? Should they be grounded or left floating?
2) If I use a groundplane, is it wise to have the area under the chip grounded, or better leave it out? (I've seen both)
3) The datasheet of opa627 says to use a guard ring around the inverting input. Is that guard referenced to ground?
thanks,
Rüdiger

peranders 27th March 2006 10:15 AM

1 Leave them be, safest also in the future if you want to use some other type. Notice that in some case like TPA6120 you should connect them in order to get better cooling but as always, read the datasheet carefully.

2 It's normally not a problem. One square centimeter = 3 pF only. This is valid for to areas of the same shape. In real life you are dealing with a fraction of a pF. In some cases it is important but not in normal audio circuits.

3 This is only important for high impedance signal sources, >> 1MOhms forget it in audio circuits, but no harm to use it either.

pinkmouse 27th March 2006 10:20 AM

The main issue with these fast chips is to get power rail decoupling caps as as close to the pins as possible. Surface mount components are good if you can get them.

peranders 27th March 2006 10:23 AM

Indeed, groundplane and tight placed decoupling is good.

Check C6 and C13. Notice that the pcb has now the groundplane connected on both sides.

http://home5.swipnet.se/~w-50674/hif...r0_TPA6120.jpg

Onvinyl 27th March 2006 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by peranders
Indeed, groundplane and tight placed decoupling is good.

Check C6 and C13. Notice that the pcb has now the groundplane connected on both sides.

http://home5.swipnet.se/~w-50674/hif...r0_TPA6120.jpg

P-A, interesting detail. Do C6, C13 connect directly to the groundplane on the underside or did you establish a star-wired route?
Rüdiger

AndrewT 27th March 2006 10:27 AM

Hi,
the guard ring should be connected to a source of equal voltage.
This is to minimise the leakage current from your input.
You can often find examples of guard rings in the data sheets.

peranders 27th March 2006 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Onvinyl


P-A, interesting detail. Do C6, C13 connect directly to the groundplane on the underside or did you establish a star-wired route?
Rüdiger

Now I have "crosses" on both sides. The first batch had this error.
http://home5.swipnet.se/~w-50674/hif...v07pcbcomp.jpg
http://home5.swipnet.se/~w-50674/hif...v07pcbsold.jpg

Khron 27th March 2006 10:32 AM

Decoupling question:

In an active crossover, would i have to use two 0.1uf MKP decoupling caps for each opamp?

peranders 27th March 2006 10:35 AM

Yes, it's a good rule, no need to save parts. If you happen to use fast opamps, then it's even more important.

Onvinyl 27th March 2006 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AndrewT
Hi,
the guard ring should be connected to a source of equal voltage.

Hi Andrew,
equal to what? Vcc? Vin? (It's DC, I guess)?
If I use an opamp in inverted mode (and thus the signal feeds in the inverted input), is it wise to reference the shield of the signal cable with that voltage (rather then ground)?
Rüdiger


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