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Old 9th June 2006, 07:37 PM   #11
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Hi,

According to http://search.national.com/iphrase/q...es=1phrase:faq the following makes sense:

100 watts per channel uses 1 output pair.

100-200 watts per channel uses 2 output pairs.

300 watts per channel uses 3 NPN/PNP output pairs.

Has anyone made close to 300 watts per channel on this chip?

National calls this a "common question".


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Old 10th June 2006, 03:18 PM   #12
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Hi,

Can adapt LM4702 to drive MOSFETS and VFETS and TUBES at

www.werple.net.au/~gnb/audio/lm4702.html

and can you show schematics for novice beginners for 3 stage

300 watt per channel using TUBES or hybrid transistors and

tube circuit?

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Old 11th June 2006, 12:34 AM   #13
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Originally posted by Mark St. Denis
Hi,
Can adapt LM4702 to drive MOSFETS and VFETS and TUBES at
www.werple.net.au/~gnb/audio/lm4702.html
and can you show schematics for novice beginners for 3 stage
300 watt per channel using TUBES or hybrid transistors and
tube circuit?
Mark
That's my page. I am currently working on a prototype using darlingtons, and will get to tubes eventually (eg. KT88 or 813 in push-pull Class A). Power to the people!

Very soon I will post show a table for easy selection of the mute resistor, and present my test results on heatsinking requirements (none, until +Vcc reaches a certain level).

I'm also working on an amp design which has no coupling capacitors on the input or in the feedback loop, which eliminates two of the impediments to excellent sound quality.

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Old 11th June 2006, 10:12 PM   #14
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Default New Chip Driver And Old Nobel Tubes

In 1938 RCA introduced RCA 813

http://faculty.frostburg.edu/phys/la...13amp/813.html

and in 1957 Marconi Osram Valve Company of Hammersmith,

London introduced KT 88 www.vacuumtube.com/issue6.htm

and RCA 813 pentode requires less than 1 watt to drive it to full

power and PP class AB amp can be used for better than 200

watts of power http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rwillis/alex

-- so where is 2006 interface between LM4702 and these nobel

old tubes, since tubes dissipate power at 200-300 watts without

semiconductor heat sinks in output stages and do not require

protective output thermal cut off circuitry which is internal to

LM4702 semiconductor driver?

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Old 12th June 2006, 10:31 AM   #15
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Very soon I will post show a table for easy selection of the mute resistor, and present my test results on heatsinking requirements (none, until +Vcc reaches a certain level).
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OK, I've described a graphical method for easy selection of the mute resistor at http://home.pacific.net.au/~gnb/audi...l#muteresistor
and made a few other updates to my LM4702 page.

The heatsinking test results will appear in the next few days.

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Quote:
Originally posted by Mark St. Denis
... RCA 813 pentode requires less than 1 watt to drive it to full
power and PP class AB amp can be used for better than 200
watts of power ... -- so where is 2006 interface between LM4702 and these nobel old tubes, since tubes dissipate power at 200-300 watts without semiconductor heat sinks in output stages and do not require protective output thermal cut off circuitry which is internal to LM4702 semiconductor driver? ...
Hold your horses! I'm still working on it! I have a neat phase-splitter design which has gain-trim (for lowest distortion) and no coupling capacitors anywhere, including on the control grids of push-pull tubes.
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Old 12th June 2006, 09:59 PM   #17
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Hello,

Since triple Darlingtons seem to be a topic for LM4702, here is the

orginal patent where Dr. Darington includes triple transistors at

figures 8 and figure 9:

http://andros.eecs.berkeley.edu/~hod...tonCircuit.pdf

Just for history fans, no big rush.

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Old 12th June 2006, 10:34 PM   #18
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Thanks, Mark - very interesting reading.

I think a problem with this chip is that people with enough savvy to design the Vbe, driver, output stage would rather design the front end also.
And people without the design knowledge may find building an amp with this chip intimidating.
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Thanks, Mark - very interesting reading.

I think a problem with this chip is that people with enough savvy to design the Vbe, driver, output stage would rather design the front end also.
And people without the design knowledge may find building an amp with this chip intimidating.
Perhaps, but the active component matching you can do on one die is incredible -- that's why the claimed THD of <0.0006% is pretty stunning.

Does it matter in the listening? I plan a rigorous test with lots of listerners and lots of music (I will have to hid all that Baroque stuff) when the boards get back. I have no interest in flogging something which isn't demonstrably better.
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Thanks, Mark - very interesting reading.
I think a problem with this chip is that people with enough savvy to design the Vbe, driver, output stage would rather design the front end also.
And people without the design knowledge may find building an amp with this chip intimidating.
You are entitled to this opinion, and I respect it, but the reverse situation is also quite likely. I've designed and constructed all stages of discrete audio power amplifiers over the past 20 years and done a great deal of learning and research. I relish this new possibility of having a high performance front-end in one chip, leaving me to concentrate on designing a high performance output stage to follow it.

People who have built a chip amp may actually find pleasure in the challenge of playing with a new chip which requires some out-board power components, rather than finding it intimidating. It certainly increases the output power possibilities! Hooking up a SAP-15N/P or SAP-16N/P pair of darlingtons is actually quite easy. I make no apologies for the blunders of people who don't actually know what they are doing, but learning by practical experience is a great tool.
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