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raif
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: london
ac voltage after rectification

Hello everyone,

My multimeter reads 37 v dc after rectification and smoothing with a cap across output terminals. I use a 24 v 330 va transformer and a single secondary connected to four mur 860 diode bridge.
However when I check ac voltage it shows 70 v ac! after rectification. What is wrong?

Thanks.
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Bill Fitzpatrick
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Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Eugene, OR
Re: ac voltage after rectification

Quote:
 Originally posted by raif What is wrong?
You're not supposed to measure DC with the meter set to AC so it's your measurement technique that's wrong.

 1st June 2005, 10:14 PM #3 raif   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: london not too fast I measure dc voltage with multimeter set to dc. The problem is when I check ac voltage across output terminals( obviously, multimeter set to ac) it shows 70 volts ac! thanks
 1st June 2005, 10:20 PM #4 Netlist   diyAudio Moderator Emeritus     Join Date: Jan 2003 Do you have another meter to try? Or a scope to watch? /Hugo
 2nd June 2005, 12:09 AM #5 homer09   diyAudio Member     Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Montreal Bill is right. measure AC with AC setting and DC with DC setting. You can't measure AC on a DC signal. BUT, you can measure how much DC on an AC signal with your meter set to DC. the reason for this is simple. DC is direct current, AC is DC but alternating at 50/60 Hz. when you set your meter to AC, it assumes its measuring AC, but it will give you about double your DC voltage because there is no switching (which it is assuming there is). you can measure DC on an AC signal because the AC is switching too fast to be picked up by DC meter. __________________ Most people wouldn't know good music if it came up and bit them in the ***. - Frank Zappa
 2nd June 2005, 09:52 AM #6 raif   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: london meter is set to ac to measure ac thanks for replies, but I am trying to measure if there is any stray ac voltages after rectification(ripple voltage) and smoothing and I get 70 volt ac reading(meter set to ac). Is this because dc currents are too fast and the meter sees it as ac ?
 2nd June 2005, 10:07 AM #7 pinkmouse   diyAudio Moderator     Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rotherham, England You need a scope, for the reasons Homer ellucidates above. __________________ Rick: Oh Cliff / Sometimes it must be difficult not to feel as if / You really are a cliff / when fascists keep trying to push you over it! / Are they the lemmings / Or are you, Cliff? / Or are you Cliff?
Magura
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Denmark, Viborg
Quote:
 Originally posted by pinkmouse You need a scope, for the reasons Homer ellucidates above.

Hmm, is that stricktly so? I was under the impression that a true RMS meter would be able to measure ac on a dc supply???

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 2nd June 2005, 12:05 PM #9 Jennice   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Planet Earth I agree... Testing in "AC" mode should give some ripple voltage only (after the bridge rectifier), but not a seriously high voltage. The DC mode should tell the intended working voltage after the rectifier. A scope can tell more, but should not be needed to find the error. Check for correct connection to the bridge. Otherwise disconnect it and test every one of the 4 diodes to see if one is shorted. If you do not have a diode tester, a battery and a resistor should work. Current should flow in one direction, leaving about 0.7 V drop across a diode. If you change polarity, no current should flow, and no voltage drop should occur across the resistor. Jennice __________________ I get paid to break stuff. My g/f gets paid to play with children. Life is good.
 2nd June 2005, 12:19 PM #10 Magura   diyAudio Member     Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Denmark, Viborg I just checked up on it. When measuring with a true RMS meter you only measure the ripple when set to measure AC on a DC supply. I have no means of testing if it is so with a non true RMS meter, as I don't have such Magura __________________ Everything is possible....to do the impossible just takes a little while longer. www.class-a-labs.com

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