So I did try all those different potentiometers

[Igla]

Yesterday I replaced my Alps blue pot with cheap plastic Piher
on my GainClone just for fun to see the difference.Both pots are 50k log.
Excelent sounding GC changed to dull sounding with no
soundstage and botom end with no definition.Mids and hights
changed from smooth to harsh and details were lost.
I am very superstitious; thats why I can hear the difference
of the passive components.

[Peter Daniel]

Originally posted by Upupa Epops
I was holding hundreds types of pots and I know all about construcion of this ones.

Don't make me an idiot.

That was not my intention, but repeating old quote seemed quite appropriate here.

As to the hundereds pots types (and severeal thousand amps), that's pretty substantial claim

[Upupa Epops]

To Igla : Blue Alps is the same carbon s..t as the Piher, with the same power dissipation. Only one objective difference is collectors - Alps one have both five multiplicated, Piher is simplest, so transient resistance should be bigger. Exist certainly one big advantage of japanese one : price, which cause in your brain feeling of perfecion - or can you to say, that japanese carbon have different atomic or crystalic structure than spanish one . To Peter : " .. substantial claim .. " - yes, it is. And I must say : I don't like wizards, mainly in electronic.

[Peter Daniel]

You might like wizards or not, but this won't change the fact that people have preference for one pot or another only because of the sound quality (and not build quality) and adding price factor to that is simply childish.

One might have hold hundreds pots in his hands, but if it never occured to him to listen to them, what good was it for?

[Upupa Epops]

Peter, if I will hear, that similar test was make with independent people by double blind method, by strictly the same condition ( measured the same listening level ) and that claimer have explanation for it, I will start think about it. I'm sorry, but what you say, is only claiming without any " scientific weight ". Preferences of people are offten tendencionaly, because especialy on hifi region offten wish is father of idea.

[Peter Daniel]

You don't need a crowd of people to confirm your personal observations. It all depends on personal aspects of judgement making, proper choices and coming up with decisions. It's not an esy task and for some people it may be something they are either not ready to cope with or simply don't want to bother. That's why they prefer to hold on to scientific methods or substantial number of people to make that choices for them.

But as I already mentioned in other threads, we are dealing here with perception and with perceiving things, and you cannot expect others to have it the same way as you do.

[Igla]

Yes Upupa; I hate the price of Alps pots but sonicaly
they worth every penny over Piher pots.
I can't lay hands on Noble or Panasonic pots around here to try.

[sss]

Upupa Epops:
u got allot of experience ,i think u should know its pointless to argue with the ''wizards''
try the next links
http://www.shunmook.com/text1.htm
http://www.divertech.com/chang.htm
why to argue which pot is the best while u can have these:
http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...roduct_Count=2

[Vikash]

Originally posted by sss
http://www.shunmook.com/text1.htm
http://www.divertech.com/chang.htm
why to argue which pot is the best while u can have these:
http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...roduct_Count=2

The beech wood [knob] is coated several times with C37 lacquer for best sound as pointed out by Dieter Ennemoser. How can this make a difference??? Well, hearing is believing as we always say. The sound becomes much more open and free flowing with a nice improvement in resolution. Dynamics are better and overall naturalness is improved.

Simply astounding. Just when I though I'd heard it all, people reach new levels of audio bull****.

[carlosfm]

Originally posted by Igla
Yes Upupa; I hate the price of Alps pots but sonicaly
they worth every penny over Piher pots.
I can't lay hands on Noble or Panasonic pots around here to try.

These Alpha pots are not inferior to the Alps Blue.
Compare the price and have a shock.
So... is this just in my mind?
Do I want a cheap pot that sounds good?

Upupa, is it hard to understand that a bad (I don't say cheap anymore ) pot sounds bad?
Is it black magic for you?
You are generalizing in saying that a passive component doesn't have a sound of it's own.
Change your speaker cables for another type and listen.