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Old 24th March 2004, 05:15 PM   #1
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Default Help with LM386N-1 amplifier

I'm trying to amplifie a plain dc signal, the signal is 0.2V and i'm tring to light a led that needs 1.5V.

I tried doing it with the LM386 and cant get an output.

I built the circuits the same as in the pdf file from national
www.national.com/ds/LM/LM386.pdf

If any one can help....

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Old 24th March 2004, 08:16 PM   #2
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The LM386 is a single supply opamp. The circuit in the national datasheet has a DC blocking cap on the input, which is blocking the signal you're trying to amplify. You won't be able to use this for your purposes.

You should use an LM741 instead rigged as a comparator. Since your signal level is only 200mV, your comparator will be kind of touchy. What you need to do is use 2 resistors to make a voltage reference of 100mV at the - input to the 741, connect your input signal to the + input.

You might be able to use the same scheme on the LM386 but it has the gain built in which you can't disable.
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Old 24th March 2004, 08:35 PM   #3
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Thank you very much

I will go and buy the lm741 tomorrow.

Can you send me any good scheme I can use?

and again,
thanks, i will come back with the result
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Old 24th March 2004, 11:22 PM   #4
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Maybe you could share a little more insight and I could provide a little more specific feedback about the type of circuit you'd want. What is the source of your signal that is only 200mV that you want to go to an LED?

Here is a link to a "schmidt trigger" circuit. In all likelyhood this is what you'll want so that you'd avoid noise from glitching around your circuit. You would want to break the threshold pot into 2 resistors instead so that you could hand tune the threshold to 100mV. It's just 2 resistors in series with your input taken from in between them. The values you use depends on your VCC.

http://www.ee.ttu.edu/lab/robot/hyster.htm
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Old 25th March 2004, 05:41 AM   #5
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I guess you are right, i should start from the begining.

I'm now in my 4th year in the university and my final project is to build a device that can track eye movement in real time, this device is going to be installed in our car simulator inside a lab.

the way it is going to work is by:
1. video signal will enter a chip lm1881 sync separator
2. the lm1881 will give an output of 0.2V whenever an even field is been shot
3. this signal will enter the amp
4. the amp will be connected to a circal of infra red lights

the signal from the lm1881 is going to turn on and off many times in one second

in short what will be is kind of like the red eye effect when using a flash, with this device i will be able to get the red eye effect using infra red light that is not visibale to the driver.

with MatLab it can be very easy to filter the background from the eyes and track them.

in this link you can see what i meen (and in better english )
www.cs.ucsb.edu/conferences/PUI/PUIWorkshop98/ Papers/Morimoto.pdf
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Old 25th March 2004, 08:45 PM   #6
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Ok, well it sounds like a comparator or a schmidt trigger will work for you. How much potential noise do you think you'll have? (how far and what kind of medium between LM1881 and opamp?).
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Old 26th March 2004, 06:55 AM   #7
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They shuld all be on the same board, i thought to connect them with a plain wire, not longer then 3cm.

I read the article you sent me about the schmidt trigger.
i have some questions
1. the 200mV comming from the lm1881 i should connect to the non-inverting input?
2. what should i connect to the inverting input?
3. what is V_hysteresis?

I hope you dont find me to much of a nag
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Old 26th March 2004, 02:46 PM   #8
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I bought the LM741
made the following circuit and it does not work.

when i am not putting anything in the Vin i get Vout of about 2V
when i do hook up the Vin with 0.2V i get Vout about 6V
when i try to change the 6.5K or the 1k it does not effect the output.


What did i do wrong?
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Old 26th March 2004, 04:58 PM   #9
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A comparator is really just a bad opamp. Here's a circuit you can try.
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Old 26th March 2004, 05:03 PM   #10
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And a sim of how it works.
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