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Old 25th January 2004, 05:01 AM   #31
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odd Q, why not just make the ground traces as thick as possible?
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Old 25th January 2004, 09:23 AM   #32
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As far as the grounding goes, all of the signal grounds are conected together before going back to the main grounding point. However, as the current draw on the signal lines will at most be a few mA there shouldn't be any problems here (you would normaly only have this sort of problem if signal and power grounds share the same path I think).
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Old 25th January 2004, 12:55 PM   #33
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I forgot that this is LM3886 with have separate pins for GND and vin-. Without schematic i'm not sure if there is a problem or not. I was worried that capasitor ripple current might flow in signal ground track. In my LM3886 amp i connected GND to signal ground.
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Old 8th March 2004, 05:08 PM   #34
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Question LM3886 design

Hi.. This is my first post here in DIYAudio... if my questions seem dumb, thats because i am just overenthusiastic rather than stupid... please bear with me...

Anyway, i saw Parsnips pcb layout for the schematic on nat. semi's datasheet; and tried to come up with a design solution before i fabricated the boards...

please have a look at the component values on the below and tell me if they make a workable design.. if not, please suggest a suitable value...

Vcc/Vee : 35V
Rl : 8 Ohms
Rf : 22K Ohms
Ri : 1K Ohms
Ci : 10u Farads
Rb : 4.7K ohms
Rin : 47K ohms
Cin : 10u Farads

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Old 8th March 2004, 06:46 PM   #35
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Which resistors in the schematic / layout have you listed there, as I think they are listed R1, R2 etc on the board.
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Old 8th March 2004, 06:49 PM   #36
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the schematic i am talking about is the one on the first page of the national semiconductors datasheet for the LM3886..

Andrew, i have downloaded the eagle schematics that you developed for soundnerd...

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Old 8th March 2004, 07:27 PM   #37
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Right, I have had a look, and I think there are a few things you should note:

Firstly RL is the loudspeaker, so you don't need to include this in the circuit.

Secondly, you DO have to include Rm as this controls the mute function of the chip. This should be set to allow 0.5mA to flow from teh pin which I think is at ground, so for your rails (+/-35V) I think it should be about 70K, but I would check this yourself as I am probably wrong here.

Third, there is no provision for Cin, or Rin on the PCB, as Rin is the volume pot (which would be conected up to the corect pins in the PCB insted), and I didn't bother with in input cap as Soundnerd didn't want one (I think).

Fourth, I wouldn't bother changing the value of Rb, just keep it at 1K.

But appart from those few things, all of the rest of the components seem about right (although, I would be tempted to use biger caps for Cf and Cm as you can easily fit them on the baord, and the non-polar electrolytics aren't too expensive).
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Old 8th March 2004, 07:40 PM   #38
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Secondly, you DO have to include Rm as this controls the mute function of the chip. This should be set to allow 0.5mA to flow from teh pin which I think is at ground, so for your rails (+/-35V) I think it should be about 70K, but I would check this yourself as I am probably wrong here.


Rm on the spreadsheet is set to a default of 35K... would that be OK??? and what is Cf?? it is not in the schematic.... by the way parsnip, would you mind posting the component values you hav used for soundnerd's pcb??

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Old 8th March 2004, 07:55 PM   #39
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Hi, sorry, that should be Ci, like you have listed above as being 10uF. As far as what components sound nerd used, I have no idea, you will have to hope he gives you a reply to your questions, as I have never tried to build up this PCB, only the LM3875 one for my little amp.

Oh, and 35k, would probably be fine, I doub't it has to be too close in this case, but perhaps someone with a bit more experience could give you a better idea about that.
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Old 9th March 2004, 06:44 AM   #40
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Very interesting discussion. I saw it just now. And hi, Madhu. I too am from India.

I've been trying to finish working on a non-inv amp using the LM3875. Other than the muting function, the schematic should be identical to what I'd use for the LM3886. (The board layout will of course be different, because the pinouts of the two chips vary.)

I too started with the first schematic on the LM3875 datasheet, and then looked at some refinements in the single-supply version of the schematic in the same datasheet, and also looked around on the Net a bit, and played around with the Nat Semi spreadsheet which they provide to let you design non-inv amps, see the power dissipation, etc. I also ran the schematic through a friend much more experienced than I. I've attached it here. I just thought that since there are at least two of you on this thread who appear to be beginners like me, we could work on the schematic together. We can then do the PCB design in Eagle (I too use the Eagle freeware, Bigparsnip, but on Linux. I like it a lot.)

The schematic I've shown here is exactly what I'll put on my PCB, once I get an okay from you guys that it'll work. The only parts external to the PCB will be the transformer and bridge rectifier. (I was thinking of using mass-market parts to build it, and not opt for the hi-tech diodes that some others seem to prefer for Gainclone bridge rects.) I want an input cap, and I omitted the RL circuit at the speaker output. Many others seem to have omitted it too, in their gainclones. From what I've understood, C8+R5 form one first-order high-pass filter and affect the lower frequency limit, and R2+C2 together act as a second first-order filter. With my values, C8+R5 will give me 0.16/(1uF * 56K), which gives me 2.86Hz. And R2+C2 gives me 0.16(10K * 4.7uF), which is 3.4Hz. So the -3dB point, as far as I've understood, will be 3.4Hz for my schematic. C1+R4 reduce the gain of the amp at high frequencies, reducing the possibility of high frequency oscillations. All this is what I've acquired in bits and pieces by pestering others (something I'm good at ) --- my own understanding of these things is minimal.

As my schematic shows, there's no connection between signal ground and power ground in this schematic, and there will not be any in the PCB. I intend to take leads from both terminals to a star ground off-board somewhere. And the return path from the speaker will also go directly to that star-ground, not to this PCB. In fact, I think I'll take the lead from the power-ground (marked GND) of this PCB back to the centre tap of the power transformer, and take a separate lead from that centre tap to the star-ground. That way, the heavy charge/discharge currents between the smoothing caps (C4 and C5 in my schematic) will not flow through the star ground.

Any comments? Please?
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