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BEGINNER question about guitar amp issue
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Old 9th November 2013, 01:34 AM   #1
cbfb is offline cbfb  New Zealand
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Default BEGINNER question about guitar amp issue

OK read no further if you can't be bothered with naive questions from a complete (but keen) beginner.... But if you do have a little patience I would be very grateful for some help.

My experience with electronics so far is I did study it in school 15 years ago but since then much has been forgotten. Just recently I started building a clone Boss BD-2 guitar pedal for something to do.

Well I got sidetracked when I discovered that the Aux input on my Acoustic guitar amp (Ashton AEA30) isn't working. I have tested it with multiple cables, sources, etc.

Next thing was rip the thing to bits to have a look. Tested the obvious e.g. that there was no resistance where it shouldn't be through the input socket etc.

Next I started looking at the circuit. Now I figure that the signal has got to get from the Aux In to the Preamp out. I started drawing a little schematic (below) which I am a little embarassed about displaying below but it took me ages and it's the best I've come up with so far!

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Now you're probably not going to be able to read that, so please click here for a full-size version.

This is the IC (I believe, it is the closest match I could find):
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Now at this point, I know that the signal should go from the Aux In to IC19. Although I haven't had chance to draw it on the schematic, IC19 is connected to the master pot which goes to the preamp out.

So I vaguely know the path of the signal. My question now is - how the heck do I test it? I have built stuff before but when it comes to diagnosing faults I am very green. Obviously I can test resistors, make sure earths are OK etc but I don't have an esr or oscilloscope, nor can I afford one. I am not really comfortable working with the AC on - is this necessary to test the circuit?

Any help would be greatly appreciated, I would love the satisfaction of learning to do this myself, but don't have the knowledge to decide whether or not it's possible.

Many thanks for reading.
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Old 9th November 2013, 01:47 AM   #2
Conrad Hoffman is offline Conrad Hoffman  United States
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I've written a brief page on troubleshooting that won't tell you whats wrong, but might help with approach-

One of the first things is says is to search out all possible documentation. You can get the schematics for your amp at ElektroTanya | Service manuals and repair tips for electronics experts

The site can be a bit confusing at first, but it's not that tough to navigate. The trick is to watch for the words to change on the download page- after a few seconds it will say something like "get manual" and you can click on it. The pre section of your amp is the "A" schematic, I think the power section is "B".

Unfortunately, if you have minimal test equipment you'll probably have to do some power on testing, basically apply signals and see where they stop.
I may be barking up the wrong tree, but at least I'm barking!
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Old 10th November 2013, 11:37 PM   #3
cbfb is offline cbfb  New Zealand
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You're a legend, found the pre-amp schematic that I was painfully trying to replicate myself!!!

Stored it for posterity here if anyone wants it

Will have a read of your troubleshooting page now that I've got the diagram and get to work.

Bit nervous about power on testing I must say, but had a look at the section you wrote "Hey, I got no fancy test equipment, what about me?" and will do what I can first."

What would be the absolute minimum test eqpt if I was to buy enough to do it with the power off? Am guessing an oscilloscope for starters....

As I am interested in playing around with FX pedals for my guitar it might be worth investing in some eBay (or our equivalent in NZ) bits and pieces.

Thanks again.
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