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Old 16th June 2013, 03:14 PM   #11
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Ok I follow and understand all of your math except how you came up wih the capacitor value.
Could you explain this again.

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Old 16th June 2013, 08:32 PM   #12
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Yeah, I didn't explain that, the first time, actually.

I derived it in the thread entitled "Power Supply Reservoir Size", which was started by Nico Ras.

Knowing the maximum load current and the desired maximum peak-to-peak ripple amplitude, the minimum required reservoir capacitance can be calculated.

Since for an ideal capacitor, i = C dv/dt, we can make some assumptions and linearize in a neighborhood and say (ignoring ESR):

C = i Δt / Δv

where Δv is the desired maximum dip in the supply rail voltage when i amps are drawn for Δt seconds, and C is in Farads.

We can assume that Δt can, at worst, be the time between charging pulses, i.e. 1 / (2 fmains). And we get to pick Δv, the p-p ripple amplitude. And we can calculate the maximum load current.

Most people use the RMS current. But that isn't really good enough, because it only accounts for the possibility of a single sine wave and we should try to account for the worst case load. And that would be a DC voltage and current at the Vpk and Ipk level.

The Δv should be chosen carefully, taking into account the specified Vpk and the Vclip of the amplifier itself, to leave room for the Vripple, relative to the peak rail voltage. So

Δv = Vrail - Vclip - Vpk

I've done the algebra, and also took into account the ESR, using the approximation

ESR = 0.02 / ( C x Voltage_Rating)

and the overall equation for the minimum value of the required capacitance is

Cmin (in uF) = 1000000(Vpk/(Rload(Vrail-Vclip-Vpk)))( (1/(2 fmains)) + (0.02/Voltage_Rating) )

I just guesstimated the 22000 uF, from a spreadsheet I looked at that uses that equation. But we should check to see what the equation gives, for the 80 Watt into 8 Ohms case (assuming 60 Hz fmains):

Cmin = 1000(35.8/(8(46.2-5-35.8))) ((1/120)+(0.02/63))

Cmin = 7169 uF

That agrees with my spreadsheet, too, but it also results in over 5 Volts p-p ripple.

If we want ripple around 1.9 Volts, we get 22000 uF (and the max power without clipping also rises to about 96 Watts, with Vpk a little over 39 Volts).

BUT NOTE that if you use a 10% lower rail voltage, then 21800 uF would give you 1.73 V ripple and only 76 Watts RMS max, at the onset of clipping.

So that's why I picked 22000 uF.

You can find my Excel spreadsheet and download it from the thread I mentioned. Sorry I don't have the exact link at hand right now.

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Old 20th June 2013, 03:42 AM   #13
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Links to my Power Supply solver and minimum reservoir capacitance Excel spreadsheets are in the post at:

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Old 21st June 2013, 07:17 PM   #14
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Alright, Today I thought I would start to design my enclosures, but I am having a lot of trouble. I've tried various software and online calculators, but all of them have many differant paramateres for the speaker that I do not know.
I have:
1 10" MTX sub, 8 Ohm, 125RMS
2 4.75" (12cm), Panasonic, 6 Ohm, 45RMS
2 2.375' (6cm), Panasonic, 6 Ohm, 45RMS (a "supertwetter" piezoelement is attached to this tweeter which I hope to use"

How would I go about beginning to design this?

I am thinking of a ported enclosure for the sub.

I would like indidvidual boxes for each speaker.
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Old 22nd June 2013, 07:18 AM   #15
AndrewT is offline AndrewT  Scotland
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start a new Thread in the Speakers section
regards Andrew T.
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Old 22nd June 2013, 11:28 AM   #16
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Alright, thank you.
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