Making out the Pink Floyd lyrics, or how much can you really hear?

[GooseCreature]

[QUOTE]Interestingly enough: I was listening to this on my Sennheiser headphones plugged into my scumbag computer soundcard, and found it was more intelligible if I EQ'd out everything under 500Hz and above 6Khz! I think this demonstrates that maximum intelligibility is equivalent to maximum listening pleasure.

now if hearing certain words and whispers defines the quality of a system yet its easier to hear these words getting rid of certain frequencies then perhaps these high quality systems are devoid of some frequencies in the first place which surely means they're not so high in the quality stakes as first thought!

As for one system being better than another it makes absolutely no difference as we all hear sounds through differently shaped ears of varying ages in different rooms in assortments of air pressures backed up with a plethora (lovely word ) of background noises!!

Advice!!! Build a IGC get a m8 to go buy you a cd player and speakers(getting him(or her) to remove all manufacturers identification marks) set up system, pop a Floyd disk in the tray, sit back, take a long draw from your Doobie, pipe or cup of tea, close one eye and what happens next is called music! enjoy!!

[Nuuk]

now if hearing certain words and whispers defines the quality of a system yet its easier to hear these words getting rid of certain frequencies then perhaps these high quality systems are devoid of some frequencies in the first place which surely means they're not so high in the quality stakes as first thought!

No, the mark of a 'good' system is to be able to present the detail despite other information coming off the record or CD (at any frequency).

To say that a system can reveal the details discussed in this thread only because it removes other information (at the frequency extremes) is not necessarily correct!

And to state that the Gainclones are good enough to make any source/loudspeaker sound good is nothing but an advertisement for the 'box shifter' brigade.

Goosey, you have heard the IGC's that you built (which are exact copies of mine) in your friend's system. Are you saying that it sounded the same as my IGC system (with different CDP and speakers)?

[Netlist]

No, the mark of a 'good' system is to be able to present the detail despite other information coming off the record or CD (at any frequency).

The correct term should be analytical IMHO.

I just sent the ‘airport’ piece to a technician from the Belgium radio.
I happen to know the guy and asked him to filter out the voice.

Let’s wait and see.

/Hugo

[GooseCreature]

Tsk Tsk Tsk Nuuk

The removal of manufacturers id is not saying that anything will sound good its taking the p**s out of psuedo blind test conditions( hence one eye shut ) ;-)

Unfortunately as your reply only amplifies, the problem is taking things far to seriously, the more serious you are to music the more analitical it will sound as your concert pianist chum and many people i know in music tend to find, i think the most amazing thing is that most muso's don't give a toss to sound quality as its the music they listen to not the carrier( not that i agree in the slightest ) The majority of live music sounds awful at best quite good in the sweet spot (tricky getting 5000 peeps in that spot) but you go because of the atmosphere, most musicians have been sat to close to a loud monitor or p.a. for too many years anyway they wouldn't know a good sound if it came up and bit them and i'm sure if Dave Gilmour decided to offer us another colaboration of agreeing Floyd members to another album he would make sure there were some barely audible samples for us to argue over for many years to come ( here's hoping )
So sit down relax take a chill pill and listen to the rythmn!! ( its between that cough and the engineer scratching his balls sound or is he eating a packet of crisps!!)

[Nuuk]

The removal of manufacturers id is not saying that anything will sound good its taking the p**s out of psuedo blind test conditions( hence one eye shut ) ;-)

I'm not quite sure why we would want to ridicule blind listening tests!

As for one system being better than another it makes absolutely no difference as we all hear sounds through differently shaped ears of varying ages in different rooms in assortments of air pressures backed up with a plethora (lovely word ) of background noises!!

Agreed to a point. But if the other factors that you quote have such an effect that you cannot differentiate between different equipment ("systems"), then why have you ever changed it?

The reason for this thread was to demonstrate the clarity of the IGC amps although there has also been a healthy academic interest in what the sounds on the DSOTM album did actually say.

Nobody has suggested (AFAIK) that this is the only yardstick for measuring hi-fi or the only way to listen to an album.

If it is a case of just listening to an album and enjoying the music then I can't see much reason for coming on a hi-fi forum.

I agree that musicality has more to do with rhythm and timing but I would also suggest that we listen to different types of music slightly differently.

For instance, listening to Diana Krall the main thing that you notice is 'the music' (ie melody) while listening to parts of PF albums, or Massive Attack etc, we are more entertained by the various aspects (ie sound effects) of the piece as much as the musical effect.

So while clarity is important in both types of music, it is for differing reasons.

[Netlist]

I've got two "Protool'ed" airport files, except I don't know where to post them.
One is about 350kb, the other one 550kb.

Anyone?

/Hugo

[Steve Eddy]

Originally posted by Netlist
I've got two "Protool'ed" airport files, except I don't know where to post them.
One is about 350kb, the other one 550kb.

If you ZIP them up, you can upload them here as a file attachment.

se

[Netlist]

Zipping the files still don't bring them under the 100k limit of DiyAudio.
I made myself a small site and uploaded the files there.
users.s k y n e t.be/netlist
Copy and paste the link. Remove the spaces and enjoy.

/Hugo

[carlosfm]

If something is recorded not to be understanded, then it won't be.
No matter what system.
But you can have an equalizer on your system with the midband pushed to the top and it won't make it a better system.
You may understand some sounds (voices) better, though.
But the whole thing will sound like crap.

[evenbar]

After reading the posts on this topic and my own careful listening I think I've finally discerned the the following as the complete lyrics to "On The Run":

(Female airport announcer, announcing flights:
"Have your hand baggage and your passports ready and follow the green line to customs and then to immigration."
"BA215 to Rome via Prato, Naples."

"May I have your attention please."
"Cleared through customs will be recieving these passengers for BA215 to Rome, Prato, Naples."
"Then proceed to Gate Number Six."
"Have your tickets, hand baggage and your passports ready.")

"Live for today, gone tomorrow, that's me, ha-ha-haaaaaa!"