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Old 29th September 2003, 03:08 PM   #11
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There is room for plenty of dudes with no formal training, no instrumentation to guide them slapping/swapping components togheter until they think they get the best sound, and plenty more gonzos just ready and willing to eat up all the BS. What better product than the gaincard/gainclone to play this type of games?
The bottom line is who cares if some fortune seeker wants a shot at the big time won't be the first or the last? In this climate he/she will likely succeed.

isn't that pretty much what's going on in rip-off, urh, I meant "high-end", audio and to some extent here? People are essentially selling unfound claims, doubius benefits (anyone heard of '9-mm signal length'? or Egyptian maple casing) at sky-high prices.

And people buy that sort of things too.

It is just that this time, this particular guy was undercutting everybody else (that is in this "high-end" audio business),
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That's right millwood,
until the next one comes and sells the gainclone for 250 bucks.
Anyways, it would be nice to see these amps compared in stereophile with a nice set of measurements to go along with the article.
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Old 29th September 2003, 03:57 PM   #13
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Maybe much of the cost went to the chassis. Plus some really hi end parts.

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Old 29th September 2003, 04:11 PM   #14
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At the risk of being mowed down, let me first lock myself in my 10 foot thick ( wall thickness!) shelter !!!!

MAYBE the "maker" has spent lots of 'Time' and 'money' to make that unit. Lots of listening time and tearing of the (grey) hairs to determine what sounds best. Possibly it does sound great.

IF IT DOES it is probably worth every penny. Remember that this is on Ebay and NOT meant for a DIY person.
So congratulations to him for getting a buyer who respects his product. I assume that he MUST have spent LOTS of expensive TIME developing this product. If so , he deserves the price. Wouldn't you ? if you spent a lot of time and money building a great sounding amp ?????

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Old 29th September 2003, 04:40 PM   #15
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Default Ebay....

Yup, good old Ebay.

We pretty much have discontinued using EBay. This "piece" is an good lesson in "Buyer beware". But even if the unit on auction is from a legitimate manufacturer, you really can't be sure you are getting what the seller claims..... If you are the victim of a scam you can turn to Ebay right?

A little food for thought: http://www.msnbc.com/news/809148.asp

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I don't see what the big deal is, this guy built something and wants to sell it. Good luck to him. I think its great.

That said, I'm kinda new to DIY, so maybe there is some kind of unwritten rule or something that I don't know about. However, people sell thier stuff here all the time, so I don't see what the difference is because one person happens to be using ebay.
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So what is the difference between a $500 ripoff selling on ebay and a $1750 ripoff selling over the internet?
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Old 29th September 2003, 04:44 PM   #18
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Maybe much of the cost went to the chassis. Plus some really hi end parts.
Fat chance. Reasonably high end parts will cost more than $500. It's actually surprising that anyone is willing to go for all the trouble of building a one-off in a reasonable case for only $500.
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So what is the difference between a $500 ripoff selling on ebay and a $1750 ripoff selling over the internet?
Maybe you can suggest a better price for an amp which has custom-machined casing and part cost in excess of $500? What kind of profit margin do you reckon will keep you in business?
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this is a very good point.

beauty, as well as value, is in the eye of the beholder. if he is an amateur (which, by looking at that "case" seems to be the, er, uh, case), he very well could have invested quite a bit of time into that project.

i think its funny that he's trying to sell it at such a high price only for the fact that if it were me, i would be relatively embarassed asking so much. i i had built it (regardless of time spent), i wouldnt ask much over $100 just because it doesnt look all that hot. this is really because my standards are much higher than his.

however, i think he is unjust in not fully disclosing the possible dangers of his amp. he should really come forward and say it like it is. also, he should have a lot more documentation. i didnt see how big the power supply was, etc. even to some consumers this would be important. the ad reads like he really doesnt know what he built, other than its the same thing as something else that sold for a lot more.

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