Go Back   Home > Forums > Amplifiers > Chip Amps
Home Forums Rules Articles Store Gallery Blogs Register Donations FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Chip Amps Amplifiers based on integrated circuits

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 24th August 2011, 05:31 AM   #1
cloud85 is offline cloud85  Singapore
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Default Bridged/Parallel LM3886

Hi all,

I have a question on paralleling LM3886.

I bought a Kit from a local store. It comes with 4 LM3886. There is no schematic, just the board and parts(Caps, resistors and enclosure) . I was told by the vendor that the chips are configured in bridged mode(One LM3886 for L+, one LM3886 for L- and the same for R channel). Hence its pushing 68W x 2 = 136W into each Speaker.

I find that the system tends to cause distortion when i crank up the volume too much. I suspect that this is due to insufficient power. My speakers are a pair of 4ohms speakers.

As such i plan to buy another set of the circuit from the vendor and run it in bridge/parallel mode. My proposed setup will be one enclosure per channel.

I have attached a drawn schematic. Can the experts here point out to me if what i proposed is ok to go?

Regards,
Click the image to open in full size.
  Reply With Quote
Old 24th August 2011, 07:06 AM   #2
:)
diyAudio Member
 
panson_hk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Blog Entries: 10
The app note AN-1192 is a must read before you take action. It describes bridge, parallel and bridge/parallel configurations. I guess your kit follows the BA100 configuration. You should be able to verify it.

When you say distortion occurring in high volume, is it not caused by overloading the speaker? Insufficient power can be due to the power supply. Do you know how big the transformer is? How much reservoir cap is there? You can measure the supply rails to see how much sag occurs at high volume. If you can take a picture, we can estimate whether your power supply is sufficient or not.
  Reply With Quote
Old 24th August 2011, 07:20 AM   #3
cloud85 is offline cloud85  Singapore
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Thanks for the reply!

I have read through the AN-1192 and i am quite sure that the KIT is in BA100 configuration.
As such, i am asking if i can make use of my existing setup to create BPA200 by using another kit.

I don't think i am overloading my speaker as my dynaudio audience 82 power handling is 300W@ 4 ohms.

My reservoir caps is 60,000uF for each channel. Trans is 300VA
  Reply With Quote
Old 24th August 2011, 08:01 AM   #4
:)
diyAudio Member
 
panson_hk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Blog Entries: 10
If your kit is BA100, it should be possible to convert it to BPA200 with an additional board.

Is DC servo employed in your kit? To do parallel, you need to make sure the gains of 3886s closely matched. I do it with multi-turn trim pot instead of expensive 0.1% resistors. DC offset of each 3886 is also trimmed if no DC servo is used.
  Reply With Quote
Old 24th August 2011, 08:59 AM   #5
cloud85 is offline cloud85  Singapore
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Thanks Panson!

my kit is this Lite Audio kit,
LM3886 IC???|????|LITE AUDIO ???? ????????????? - Powered by MvM mall

There is no DC servo employed.

Maybe i can hand match the resistors to ensure close gains.
Can I employ a pair of air gaped audio trans to parallel it?
  Reply With Quote
Old 24th August 2011, 12:07 PM   #6
:)
diyAudio Member
 
panson_hk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Blog Entries: 10
The board of the link is a stereo, one 3886 per channel board. This is not the four 3886 board you mentioned in your first post. The page mentions bridge mode is possible by using two such boards.

Can you illustrate how do you parallel them by a transformer? Two 3886 on primarily side and secondary side as output?
  Reply With Quote
Old 24th August 2011, 02:31 PM   #7
alexcp is offline alexcp  United States
diyAudio Member
 
alexcp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Florida
Blog Entries: 28
You're getting distortion because in bridged mode, each 3886 sees only a 2 ohm load, for which 3886 is not specified. Most likely, internal protection shuts down the chip at signal peaks.

When paralleling, make sure that gains are matched (as panson_hk noted), dc offsets are minimal, and each 3886's output is connected to the load via a separate resistor; outputs must not connect directly to each other.

Have a look: PA100 DIY 2x LM3886 in parallel gainclone audio amplifier.

Last edited by alexcp; 24th August 2011 at 02:37 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 24th August 2011, 03:18 PM   #8
AndrewT is offline AndrewT  Scotland
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Scottish Borders
Quote:
Originally Posted by cloud85 View Post
..... that the chips are configured in bridged mode.......................Hence its pushing 68W x 2 = 136W......... I suspect that this is due to insufficient power. My speakers are a pair of 4ohms..............
I suspect it is not lack of power nor too much power.
I expect that your amplifier is suffering from lack of current.
Chipamps are crippled by a poor current capability. Some will argue against my point of view, as did a Member just a couple of days ago.
This current non-capability gets even worse if the amp operates @ Tc>25degC.
Quote:
I find that the system tends to cause distortion when i crank up the volume too much.
No, it is the operator that is the cause of the distortion.
__________________
regards Andrew T.
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Parallel and Bridged question? portreathbeach Chip Amps 6 5th August 2011 02:35 AM
Parallel TDA2052 vs Parallel LM3886 for subwoofer goldyrathore Chip Amps 22 22nd November 2009 02:34 PM
Bridged or Parallel 100w LM3886? rockgardenlove Chip Amps 4 2nd March 2009 06:26 PM
Are two separate lm3886 = 2*lm3886 in parallel or bridge mode rs1026 Chip Amps 11 21st October 2004 10:24 AM
ZenV4 in parallel (not bridged) paulb Pass Labs 2 1st October 2002 12:57 AM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 07:44 AM.

Page generated in 0.10983 seconds (77.51% PHP - 22.49% MySQL) with 10 queries

Copyright ©1999-2012 diyAudio