i`m build a gain clone.
to be specific, i`m building the inverting GC design originally done by Thorsten.
IGC
i`m going to build a dual mono design with 2 nuvotem-talema toroidals. they are 225va. since i`m running a 5R load. i intend to run it off 18-0-18vac. i don`t need lotsa raw power since i`m running 96dB/w drivers.
the main power supply caps would be Elna`s that were made for Onkyo Systems. they are labeled Onkyo Integra. its 10,000uf @ 50v. i intend to bypass with 100uF Elna Silmics.
do i need to dump in two more 0.1uF caps alongside the power rails?
if so,
i intend to use Silver Mica. is this a good choice?
Thank You in advance
REGARDS
to be specific, i`m building the inverting GC design originally done by Thorsten.
IGC
i`m going to build a dual mono design with 2 nuvotem-talema toroidals. they are 225va. since i`m running a 5R load. i intend to run it off 18-0-18vac. i don`t need lotsa raw power since i`m running 96dB/w drivers.
the main power supply caps would be Elna`s that were made for Onkyo Systems. they are labeled Onkyo Integra. its 10,000uf @ 50v. i intend to bypass with 100uF Elna Silmics.
do i need to dump in two more 0.1uF caps alongside the power rails?
if so,
i intend to use Silver Mica. is this a good choice?
Thank You in advance
REGARDS
Konnichiwa,
Ahhm, please note later redactions. After much tooing and frooing I now suggest the following:
Feedback Resistor 330k in all version.
Input resistor 10k & 100k Linear Law Pot for "Integrated Amp".
Preferred Pot types are Cermet from Vishay/Sfernice or ANY Carbon track ones, but preferably old hotmolded AB, Copal etc. - choose to taste, Cermet "precise" and "clean" and "neutral" while Carbon "musical" and "warm" and "romantic" (read a little fuzzy in a nice way).
Input resistor 15k, 18k from input to ground (across the RCA).
Either versions will normally be stable under all (most) conditions (integrated Amp not with open input and volume near max!!!!) of normal use. Also, it should not be subject to the audible problems remarked upon with the "brutal force stability" 22k resistor from the inverting input to ground.
The Resistor in the output and the RC on the non-inverting input are "optional" and where originally added to make the circuit more tolerant of "out of spec" IC's and (highly) capacitive Speaker Cables.
Too much capacitance or not enough VA in the transformer!!!!
Leave the 10,000uF Cap's out in the initial wireup.
You can add them later (IF you must) with added leads paralleled to 1,000uF Silmics. For bypassing it is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to place the physically and electrically smallest capacitor in the shortest current loop anyway. Whenever I see a HUGE pysical side cap bridged with smaller caps having very long leads in positions other than coupling capacitors (high impedance circuits) I despair!!!!
One connecting +V & -V is not a bad idea.
Excellent choice, if a little wasted. BTW, WHERE ON EARTH do you find affordable 0.1uF Silver Mica's?
Sayonara
hacknet said:
Ahhm, please note later redactions. After much tooing and frooing I now suggest the following:
Feedback Resistor 330k in all version.
Input resistor 10k & 100k Linear Law Pot for "Integrated Amp".
Preferred Pot types are Cermet from Vishay/Sfernice or ANY Carbon track ones, but preferably old hotmolded AB, Copal etc. - choose to taste, Cermet "precise" and "clean" and "neutral" while Carbon "musical" and "warm" and "romantic" (read a little fuzzy in a nice way).
Input resistor 15k, 18k from input to ground (across the RCA).
Either versions will normally be stable under all (most) conditions (integrated Amp not with open input and volume near max!!!!) of normal use. Also, it should not be subject to the audible problems remarked upon with the "brutal force stability" 22k resistor from the inverting input to ground.
The Resistor in the output and the RC on the non-inverting input are "optional" and where originally added to make the circuit more tolerant of "out of spec" IC's and (highly) capacitive Speaker Cables.
hacknet said:
Too much capacitance or not enough VA in the transformer!!!!
Leave the 10,000uF Cap's out in the initial wireup.
You can add them later (IF you must) with added leads paralleled to 1,000uF Silmics. For bypassing it is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to place the physically and electrically smallest capacitor in the shortest current loop anyway. Whenever I see a HUGE pysical side cap bridged with smaller caps having very long leads in positions other than coupling capacitors (high impedance circuits) I despair!!!!
hacknet said:
One connecting +V & -V is not a bad idea.
hacknet said:
Excellent choice, if a little wasted. BTW, WHERE ON EARTH do you find affordable 0.1uF Silver Mica's?
Sayonara
JoeBob said:
Cornell-Dubilier makes a 91nF 100V and a 68nF 300 V silver mica. No idea as to price. Mouser sells their 10nF silver mica for $9.16 so it's likely to be more than many would be willing to pay.
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Konnichiwa,
Are you sure that these are SILVER MICA? The price, tolerance and voltage rating sounds a lot more like ceramic. And ceramic is NOT recommended.
I still recommend the Epcos (formerly Siemens) naked chip, stacked film MKT/MKC Capacitors as they offer a very "ideal" capacitor with only around 9nH Parasitic Inductance (ESL) and << 0.1 Ohm ESR in the larger values. They go up to around 4u7/63V and are physically small.
For reference, the 9nH Inductance translate to around 1 Ohm impedance @ 20MHz, which is often good enough for digital decoupling on their own, no added bypass needed.
Sayonara
hacknet said:
Are you sure that these are SILVER MICA? The price, tolerance and voltage rating sounds a lot more like ceramic. And ceramic is NOT recommended.
I still recommend the Epcos (formerly Siemens) naked chip, stacked film MKT/MKC Capacitors as they offer a very "ideal" capacitor with only around 9nH Parasitic Inductance (ESL) and << 0.1 Ohm ESR in the larger values. They go up to around 4u7/63V and are physically small.
For reference, the 9nH Inductance translate to around 1 Ohm impedance @ 20MHz, which is often good enough for digital decoupling on their own, no added bypass needed.
Sayonara
its silvered mica.
is silvered mica and silver mica the same?
if it is, i think we are talking about the same thing....
i found even cheaper ones. its 50vdc... its going for $0.28
the dielectric is X7 R. there is a word Kemet labed nearby, i remeber kemet having something to do with ceramic....
is silvered mica and silver mica the same?
if it is, i think we are talking about the same thing....
i found even cheaper ones. its 50vdc... its going for $0.28
the dielectric is X7 R. there is a word Kemet labed nearby, i remeber kemet having something to do with ceramic....
aren't silver-mica capacitors usually physically identifiable? i mean i've seen a lot that look well, identifiable!
and isn't silver-mica microphonic?
also, i think the 100nf caps are supposed to be located as physically close to the power IC (or opamp in case of pre-amp filtering) as possible. pretty sure caps with good high-frequency preformance are reccomended for this type of supply fitlering.
and isn't silver-mica microphonic?
also, i think the 100nf caps are supposed to be located as physically close to the power IC (or opamp in case of pre-amp filtering) as possible. pretty sure caps with good high-frequency preformance are reccomended for this type of supply fitlering.
Konnichiwa,
You CAN use a log pot, but you will have failry little usable volume control range.
You mean apart form the simple observation that linear track pots invariably sound better than their log counterparts and the usable volume control range? Apart from these, no.
Sayonara
hacknet said:
You CAN use a log pot, but you will have failry little usable volume control range.
hacknet said:
You mean apart form the simple observation that linear track pots invariably sound better than their log counterparts and the usable volume control range? Apart from these, no.
Sayonara
Re: Re: Silver Mica de-coupling caps
Hi!
Are theese something like the Vishay pots you are recommending?
http://international1.farnell.com/S...tml?_DARGS=/common/prodsearchform_inone.jhtml
Thanks.
Tor Martin
Kuei Yang Wang said:
Hi!
Are theese something like the Vishay pots you are recommending?
http://international1.farnell.com/S...tml?_DARGS=/common/prodsearchform_inone.jhtml
Thanks.
Tor Martin
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