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Join Date: May 2003
Location: Berlin
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Hello,
I'd like some input on something I recently cooked up after studying many threads and projects here on DIYAUDIO and elsewhere online: • I want to drive headphones fully balanced. • I don't want too many components in the signal path. • I'd like to use ICs throughout. • I need to incorporate volume control. I came up with the attached schematic (general building block, single channel). It involves a balanced input stage/buffer using an OPA1632 (IC1) in a conventional topology (see datasheet), possibly contributing some gain. Followed by a differential attenuator (R14/R15/P1) in a shunt configuration, damping both noninverting and inverting phase in a fully balanced manner (i.e. using only a single gang/pot and no ground reference). Last is a differential output stage featuring TPA1632A2 (IC11, see datasheet), using both amplifiers tied to a common virtual ground. A couple problems I foresee: • In this configuration IC1 would be required to drive the voltage divider(s) around the shunting volume pot. In order to achieve full attenuation the impedance level would have to be rather low. That's why I mentioned that IC1 could contribute some gain. I could also live with an instrumentation amp incorporating two additional opamps in front of IC1. I'm not certain! • The voltage divider consisting of R14/P1 and R15/P1 (respectively) could be limited in it's attenuation range. Increasing it's impedance level would introduce unnecessary noise into the circuit. I'm not sure! • The ouptut stage design circumvents the more obvious bridge topology, thus ensuring balanced impedances on all respective nodes. It dosn't feature "super symmetry", though, so it could waste some potential that the OPA1632 enables. I just don't know! What do you think? Thanks, Sebastian. |
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Well, I finally got around to trying an early prototype variant. I modified the circuit by introducing an instrumentation amp stage in front of the balanced opamp, which gives me a high impedance, fully differential gain stage (independent of source impedances and source grounding scheme), still with single-pot volume control.
The first picture shows the circuit I tried, it leaves out the buffers as they are not required in order to try the concept of a single pot volume control in front of the OPA1632. Besides, I decided to use different buffers than the TPA6102A2/THS6012 that I earlier proposed, as I became aware of difficulties with this current feedback amplifiers' stability into low impedance loads. The second picture shows my prototype with a dual opamp (wired as instrumentation stage) on the left with a pot for gain adjustment (input gain setting allows for different sensitivities of different headphones). On the right is an OPA1632 with a gain of 1. In the middle there's the differential voltage divider with two 1kOhm series resistors and a 25kOhm potentiometer. I got inspired during a discussion about The Wire and it's lack of volume control in the design scope (my personal opinion). No kidding, the build shown below works like a charm, even stable (as long as the cheap pots still have contact ). Speed is an issue, though. My first tests were with an OPA1612 (equivalent to OPA2211) in the instrumentation stage, but I didn't manage to get the circuit ringing free under all circumstances due to sloppy wiring, decoupling and grounding. While improving on the flaws, some of the IC's SMD legs gave up and broke off. So I had to continue with the only DIL dual-opamp I had in stock: an RC4558...
Last edited by sek; 6th July 2011 at 06:43 PM. |
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![]() I agree that the OPA1632 is never exposed to a short or any ill defined output load. What I was worried about, though, was the overall gain/transfer function possibly being influenced by the highly varying voltage divider impedance. But as the output stage has it's amplifiers in noninverting mode, I now see that the output stage gain doesn't depend on it's input impedance. Bingo. ![]() Although, the same approach is applied in the current circuit. But as the voltage divider is now in front of the fully differential opamp (where gain setting depends on the ratio between feedback impedance and source impedance), there might be an influence of the pot on the OPA1632's gain. The reason why I'm putting the pot inbetween instrumentation stage and differential amp is because I now want to drive (diamond) buffers in the output. They can be connected without output damping resistors, thus enabling the lowest output impedance (see attachment below). As the instrumentation stage can be built with or without providing gain, I've shown a gain potentiometer - which could be left out if so desired. ![]() I don't yet see it: do I have to worry about the volume control adversely affecting the behaviour of the OPA1632 and it's gain setting? The way I see it, the gain setting around the OPA1632 (which is essentially that of two inverting opamps) would have to account for the source impedance including the voltage divider - which varies. ![]() Thanks, Sebastian. |
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The gain will be affected because the input impedance changes. But whether that is a problem depends on the values you're using. Remember that best case, the differential input impedance will be 0, and worst case it will be 2k ohms in parallel with the volume pot, (if you're still using 1K resistors on the volume circuit).
So yeah, it can screw up the gain a bit. But unless your input resistors to the opa1632 are very small (do you have the fda wired for a lot of gain?), this effect is going to be completely swamped by the actual volume adjustments you're making. Gain will be highest when volume is muted, and lowest when volume is at maximum. So accept that your volume steps are going to be slightly smaller than specified if using a stepped attenuator, or if using a pot don't worry about it at all! |
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Again, thanks for looking at it?
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Let's look at it in a split way first, perceiving each differential half of the fda. If attached a schematic with renamed components. In case of an open input and no dedicated source resistors, the input impedance in front of each input varies between 0 (pot. at min.) and 1/2*Rpot (pot. at max.). With equal series resistors Rin on each input, it varies between Rin (pot. at min.) and 1/2*Rpot+Rin (pot. at max.). As only the ratios account for the gain setting, let's consider a 1:10 divider ratio of series resistors and pot (i.e. 1k Rin, 20k Rpot) and a 1:1 ratio of the feedback resistor(s) Rf and Rin (i.e. 1k Rf). With gain being set by the ratio Rf/Rg and Rg being the effective impedance seen from each input, we'll now have to look at a parallel value formed from the input resistor and half of the momentarily volume pot value: Rg=Rin||(1/2*Rvol) With A=Rf/Rg, this would resolve to: A = Rf/(Rin||(1/2*Rvol)) = (Rf*1/2*Rvol)/Rin (right? )Quote:
In the above derivation, the gain in case of an open input was modeled. What's with the buffer stage in front of it? This one shall be connected permanently, so the case of an open input would never occur in reality. The buffer stage probably shouldn't work into the pot directly, as there's no point in exposing an opamp to a short without reason. So there would be a series resistance Rout in front of the pot (as depicted in my above schematic). The calculations for such a network are given i.e. in chapter 11 (p. 15) in TI's Fully Differential Amplifiers application note (termination of input source, influence on gain). Quote:
Any help is appreciated! ![]() Cheers, Sebastian. |
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The toughest load ever seen by the buffer is when the volume pot is at zero, but you still have the Rin resistors in series, so each buffer ic sees half of 2xRin, or just Rin. So if your input opamps are happy driving a load of Rin (check the datasheet for max current or sometimes they just say min load resistance) then you're fine. |
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are you connecting to a fixed impedance source - the 1632 gain changes with any added impedance from the source
typically this sort of dual inverting gain balanced inputs require high input Z noninverting buffers on the inputs to interface with a range of different sources I have a CD player with > 1 K Ohm output Z due to the muting circuit - and other sources with <100 Ohms series R once you have added the noniverting buffers you might as well put higher Z volume pots at the input as usually used in the majority of amps |
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The circuit as shown is totally fine, just if you use a stepped attenuator the gain values won't be perfect. If you are using a pot it makes no difference whatsoever. As long as the network resistors on the fda are relatively large compared to the Rin resistors for the volume network, the change in gain should not be a problem. |
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Guys,
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If that is true, I'd like to learn more about how noise performance of the FDA is affected. Considering the circuit with the pot, I figure that with the raised gain at high attenuation (low volume setting) noise increases considerably (and thus THD+N at low volumes is worsened). Quote:
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I originally thought that a strength of this approach could be to leverage on the excellent specs of the ICs at low gain and low impedance level... ![]() Quote:
Assuming values like Rout=1k, Rin=10k and Rvol=20k, an overall gain of one and the 20k pot fully open, using the formulae on page 17 in the abovementioned TI application note I calculate Rf=12k. I'm lost at deriving FDA local gain under the (most likely wrong) assumption that Rin approaches zero with the pot turned all the way down. How would I derive the actual input impedance per input node for gain calculations? Huh, Sebastian. Last edited by sek; 9th July 2011 at 12:04 AM. |
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