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Old 30th July 2003, 06:13 PM   #1
Llamas is offline Llamas  United States
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Default First Gainclone (Hell, first amp...)

I am going to build a pair of gainclone monoblocks, each with its own power supply.

I've been working the search function, and prowling the various linked web sites (including Nuuk's FAQ). Rather than start different threads with different questions, I'm going to try to keep everything confined to this thread.

I am very new to this. Please forgive my cranial density.

I've got most of my parts list together, and I'm seeking feedback. The only example parts lists I could find were referecing European suppliers, so I couldn't cheat by simply copying their part numbers. Here's what I've come up with so far:

Part,Supplier,Part Number,Quantity
Blackgate Cap 4.7uf 100V,referenceaudiomods,BG_STD_4P7_100,2
22V 160VA Dual Transformer,Parts Express,122-625,2
Rectifier Bridge 25A 50V,Digikey,GBPC25005-ND,4
Fuse Holder (soldered, panel),Digikey,F005-ND,2
2A Fuse Slow,Digikey,283-2182-ND,5
1000uF Capacitor 50V (Panasonic FC),Digikey,P11263-ND,4
2200uF Capacitor 50V (Panasonic FC),Digikey,P10335-ND,4
10K Carbon Film Resistor (input),Digikey,10KQBK-ND,5
100K Metal Film Resistor (input to signal ground),Digikey,100KXBK-ND,5
22K Metal Film Resistor (pin 8 to signal ground),Digikey,BC22KW-1CT-ND,5
18K Metal Film Resistor (pin 7 to signal ground),Digikey,BC18KW-1CT-ND,5
LM3875 Amplifier (TF isolated?),Digikey,LM3875TF-ND,2
1uF Capacitor 50V (Panasonic FC) (bypass),Digikey,P10312-ND,2
220K Carbon Film Resistor (feedback),Digikey,200KH-ND,5
.20 Wirewound Resistor 3W (output),Digikey,23JR20-ND,2

(Some of the 5 counts are due to minimum quantities. I'm also getting both 1000uF and 2200uF caps to try out, since I've seen schematics using one or the other.)

I still need heatsinks, RCAs, power connectors, etc. I figure I'll make a case out of wood or spam or something.

Any brand recommendations? Warnings about anything I've chosen so far? Can I update the list to make it more readable?


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Old 31st July 2003, 11:21 AM   #2
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Could you post your schematic for me to see? im doing some research myself.

thanks if you can
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Old 31st July 2003, 05:31 PM   #3
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Thanks for the digikey numbers! Also, for the heads-up that PE is now selling decent toroidals.

I am in just about the same position as you, but I am looking for a great enclosure before I do the circuit. Starting to get impatient, lost a couple of auctions on Ebay for cool old stuff. Might go ahead and breadboard it first out of sheer boredom/impatience!

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Old 31st July 2003, 05:41 PM   #4
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you guys might wanna email steve at apexjr.com
periodically he has surplus toroids for cheap. i bought from him a 300va 25v 0v 25v toroid for $25 and i am very happy with it. he also carries a variety of inexpensive misc parts like rca's and binding posts...
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Old 31st July 2003, 05:59 PM   #5
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Default power supply caps

While I'm not typically super picky about parts I would say one drastic improvement worth a shot is BlackGate 1000uF. I built a gc using this schematic (one of a few...) and toyed around with both pan fc's and bg's. I can't tell the difference between resistors, diodes, or even input caps hardly (using bg 22uf only because i have em). I'll tell you what though... I can definitely tell the difference here. It is definitely minute, but the BG is better.

As for the input cap I don't think that needs to be bg. They aren't too expensive though so it may be worth it.

I also didn't hear a difference between isolated and non so I just go with the TF.
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Old 31st July 2003, 07:52 PM   #6
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I got the schematic from the Chip Amp DIY Forum . There are links at the bottom for a few schematics.

I also found another thread here (couldn't find it before I posted) that covers some parts from North American suppliers.

Nuuk's advice in his
beginners' FAQ was the opposite on the BG caps. He recommended BG for the input, and FC for the 1000uF. The more I read the forums, the more I realize that I am going to have to hear things for myself.

I think the isoloated vs. non-isolated chip is just an issue of convenience. If I am not mistaken, you can just bolt the isolated chip to the heat sink, while the non-isolated part required electrical insulation.

I'm going to breadboard mine while I figure out the enclosure. I still think I'll end up fashioning one out of wood. I think the wood makes it that much more different from the plastic and metal of mass produced products.

Thanks for the feedback!

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Old 31st July 2003, 08:48 PM   #7
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...and a word of warning: The parts list I submitted above is the work of someone VERY new to the hobby, working from a schematic and general recommendations.

Part of the reason for my post was to get feedback concerning my choice of type of resistors, capacitors, etc. Thanks for your input in this regard, Breguetphile.

I wouldn't want anyone to take my parts list and run, just to find out that I don't know what I'm doing.

Now, onto heatsinks! I've seen plenty of posts in the vein of, "if I bolt the chip to a hamster, will that be good enough?" but I don't think I've heard a specific spec on required heat dissipation. Since I'm just starting to accumulate "junk" for future products, I'll probably just order a couple of heatsinks along with the other parts. How many watts does the heat sink have to dissipate?


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Old 31st July 2003, 09:11 PM   #8
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Hi Mike,

I would definitely recommend just knocking one of these amps on a piece of timber to get started. Having it open like that makes it very easy to see what is going on and do a last minute visual check of the circuit.

And if changes need to be made, they can be done quickly and easily.

I have built two GCs now. The first were my small monoblocks and doing any changes to the circuit was a bit of a pain. My second is dual mono built on a plank of wood and I have done it that way while I experiment with buffers etc.

When the amp is finalised, then it can be put into a nice case.
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Old 20th August 2003, 02:46 AM   #9
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I am also looking into building one. This being my first project is a lot of work getting to understand what sort of parts I need. This list would help considerably. Please keep it up.
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Old 20th August 2003, 05:04 PM   #10
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Well, I'm back from vacation, I've finished my speaker project (except for the grills), and I'll be assembling my gainclone this weekend.

What I finally ordered (warning: parts picked by new guy):

Part						Source		Part Number	Quantity	Price	Extended Price
Blackgate Cap 4.7uf 100V				Parts Connexion	BLKGATE60098	2	2.7	5.4
18V 160VA Dual Transformer				Parts Express	122-610		2	38.79	77.58
Rectifier Bridge 25A 50V				Digikey		GBPC25005-ND	4	3.78	15.12
Fuse Holder (soldered, panel)			Digikey		F005-ND		2	2.45	4.9
2A Fuse Slow					Digikey		283-2182-ND	5	0.718	3.59
1000uF Capacitor 50V (Panasonic FC)			Digikey		P11263-ND		4	3.22	12.88
Riken 10K 1W 1% Resistor (input)			Parts Connexion	RIKEN62161	2	2.7	5.4
50K pot, linear taper, horizontal mount w/ bushing	Digikey		P3R7503-ND	2	1.94	3.88
Riken 22K .5W 1% Resistor (pin 8 to signal ground)	Parts Connexion	RIKEN62103	2	1.8	3.6
Riken 18K .5W 1% Resistor (pin 7 to signal ground)	Parts Connexion	RIKEN62102	2	1.8	3.6
LM3875 Amplifier (TF isolated?)			Digikey		LM3875TF-ND	2	5.81	11.62
1uF Capacitor 50V (Panasonic FC) (bypass) 		Digikey		P10312-ND		2	0.46	0.92
Riken 220K .5W 1% Resistor (feedback)		Parts Connexion	RIKEN62119	2	1.8	3.6
.22 Wirewound Resistor 5W (output)			Parts Express	015-.22		2	0.19	0.38
AC receptacle for PC power cords			Digikey		Q210-ND		10	0.58	5.8
Gold RCA Chassis Jack (pair)			Parts Express	091-1120		1	5.3	5.3
Binding Post					Parts Express	260-314		2	7.95	15.9
I grabbed a bag of the AC connectors since I have a bunch of cords laying around, and I figure they would prove useful in the future.

I also picked up some breadboard from RS to mount things on. I also grabbed some small heatsinks from RS.

I'll post pictures of what I do this weekend. They will probably be in the vein of "I'm clueless. What's wrong with this picture?" than anything instructive to others.

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