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Join Date: Mar 2008
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hello,
Douglas Self recently co-authored a gridAmp in Elektor using a 4x8 NE5532 grid. There are thus 64 audio opamps in total, each able to deliver 30mA individually so 1.92 amp when paralleled. The 8 ohm load gets thus raised to a 15.36 V potential with a + 18V and a - 18 V supply. Max power is thus close to 15 watt RMS into 8 ohm. One may expect a 1 kHz distorsion in the order of 3ppm to 5ppm (0.0003% to 0.0005%) if the PCB is carefully designed. The 5532 OpAmplifier, part 1 - ELEKTOR.com | Electronics: Microcontrollers Embedded Audio Digital Analogue Test Measurement I would like to discuss the feasibility of a more advanced gridAmp delivering 9 watt RMS into 8 ohm with less than 1ppm (0.0001%) distorsion at 1 kHz. This is maybe possible using a grid of quad audio opamps in 14 pin packages like OPA1644, OPA4134 or LME49740. The 9 watt / 8 ohm signal is 24V peak peak : ((12 V x 0.707)**2) / 8 ohm = 8.997 watt. Please advise the recommended measuring equipment, being analog or digital or anything else. For the sake of simplicity I have used LTspice to test some ideas about routing a PCB with a 3x3 grid. The grid can easily be extended to 4x4 or more. A 4x4 grid would produce the same power as the above Elektor-Self gridAmp design. I have modelled the opamps using a Laplace in the definition of a dependent voltage source. The opamp input offset is modelled using a DC voltage source in the input. This modelization is thus useless regarding distorsion. The aim of this modelization is to accurately simulate the imbalance currents caused by DC offsets and high-frequency poles differences. It also helps organizing the layout for optimizing the PCB design. Avoiding loops, keeping the layout dense, getting an untouched ultra-quiet ground, and so on. I have generated two different approaches. The first approach is copied from Douglas Self approach, using a grid of paralleled non-inverting unity gain buffers at the output. The resulting circuit is very easy to route on a PCB. There are almost no passive components in such a gridAmp. The big drawback is the common-mode voltage, stressing the opamps input stages. With this layout, the opamp don't deliver the best. However, with OPA1644, OPA4134 or LME49740, it could be that this simple arrangement is okay for delivering the 1kHz 1ppm 24V pp output signal into a 8 ohm load. The second approach uses a grid of parallelled inverting amplifiers. The resulting circuit is less easy to route on a PCB. There are many resistors. They need to be 0.1% precise, but this is not an issue nowadays with Panasonic inexpensive SMT0805 0.1% resistors. This configuration is supposed to provide the best results, as the only common mode is in the optional input buffer. If you omit the input buffer, you end up with a zero common mode design. Distorsion should be minimal. A 1ppm distorsion figure is only meaningfull if the noise floor is kept below the harmonics. For assessing a THD, you need the harmonics emerging from the noise floor. Excessive noise could thus prevent reaching the 1ppm target. In his gridAmp design, Douglas Self paid a lot of attention to noise, especially in the input stage. I don't know if this is mandatory when using OPA1644, OPA4134 or LME49740 opamps instead of NE5532 opamps. I don't know if SMT opamps can be used. What will be the dissipation of each integrated circuit when delivering 9 watt on 8 ohm, including the quiescient currents and output imbalance currents ? If SMT opamps can't be used, we face a little difficulty as it seems that the OPA4134 and LME49740 are the only quad audio amps available both in SMT (SO-14) and through-hole (DIP-14). If the SMT dissipation capability is exceeded with a 8 ohm load, the SMT versions can be used for trying building a 1ppm headphone gridAmp. Are there 1ppm headphones amps on the market ? Would be a 2x2 grid okay, hence 16 paralleled opamps ? See attached LTspice diagrams. Anyway, I feel Douglas Self NE5532 gridAmp deserves attention. I intend purchasing a few Elektor PCBs (they are available in the webshop) as references, for some listening tests and possibly also as reference base for (improved ?) versions using the OPA1644, OPA4134 or LME49740. Steph Last edited by steph_tsf; 27th September 2010 at 10:51 PM. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Scottish Borders
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let's assume a 3x3 grid of single opamps giving 9W into 8r0.
Each opamp sees the loading as 1W into 72r0. That requires 12Vpk and 167mApk. Look up the opamp datasheet and find what it says about 72r loading and about 12V @ 167mA. Now consider that a power amp MUST be capable of providing at least double the resistive load current and preferably three times the resistive current. Let's see if a 4x4 grid can manage that. 0.563W into 128r requires 12Vpk and 94mApk. In to a reactive speaker we require at least 188mApk and preferably 280mApk. What does the datasheet say about that? Now try an 8x8 grid. I find a preferred maximum current of 91mApk. Now swap from the 8ohm speaker to a 300ohm headphone with a maximum voltage output of 5Vpk. Try the numbers.
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Join Date: Mar 2008
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AndrewT,
numbers are numbers. Dry numbers. When we specify 9 watt into 8 ohm, we really mean 9 watt into 8 ohm. We don't mean 9 watt plus 1000% headroom into a 8 ohm load dropping to 6 ohm DC with 10µF capacitance in parallel. You don't get an airplane flying by adding percentages and percentages. I you want more current, or another load impedance, just ask and we'll see what kind of gridAmp needs to be designed. Any kind of gridAmp can be designed, from 3x3 to 3Megx3Meg. It all depends your taste and goodwill. No offense. Cheers, Steph |
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Scottish Borders
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attributing the thought of
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I took the time to show by example what the grid amp arrangement is asking each opamp amp to deliver. You should take the time to follow that example and see if you agree or disagree with the method of assessing suitability. If you can't be bothered, then don't ask.
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Anonymityville
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I started a similar project some time ago but never found the motivation to finish it. I was going for 20 OPA2134 per channel. It was to be dubbed "The Leaning Towers of OPA".
I can't see myself ever starting the other stack. Maybe I will finish just this one stack and make a headphone amp out of it instead.
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Join Date: Mar 2008
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AndrewT,
what loudspeaker do you need to drive ? Can you attach the impedance diagram ? I definitely know that the I/V locus is of importance. You need to understand that we need dry numbers before proceeding, before assessing how many quad opamps need to be paralleled when driving a real-world load. Both of us, we know how (poor) amps can sound when simply (stupidly ?) adding headroom percentages here and there before even considering the dry figures. With a 20V/µs slew-rate, a 5 MHz small signal bandwidth, and a possibly 1ppm THD, the gridAmp looks like an interesting bukding block. How to use it ? As previously explained, with 17 Volt or 18 Volt supplies, the linearity will be preserved with a 12 Volt voltage excursion referred to ground, even when opting for the (simpler) non-inverting unity gain buffer output stage. Say you want to be able to handle a 2 ohm load. The current is thus 6 amp. Say that one opamp can deliver 25 mA. You thus need 240 opamps. There are four opamps in a 14-pin package. You thus need 60 14-pin packages. You may organize them in a 8x8 grid (64 14-pin packages). A 8x8 gridAmp is still very compact, especially when using SMT devices. As previously explained, the 3x3 gridAmp example is only there for showing the concept and the way the PCB layout may be organized for ensuring a clean, quiet ground. The power on a 2 ohm load is ((12*0.707)**2)/2 = 36 watt. If you bridge the load, using four such units, the power becomes 144 watt. With a 20V/µs slew-rate, a 5 MHz small signal bandwidth, and a possibly 1ppm THD. Do you know many power amplifiers delivering such spec ? For the cooling, you may use a CPU cooler and fan applied on the grid, with or without heat pipe, with or without liquid cooling. The thermal stress gets evenly spread onto a big surface. There are no hotspots. Cheers, Steph Last edited by steph_tsf; 28th September 2010 at 01:06 PM. |
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If I were to make power amplifier of this style I would just use a high current buffer IC like the LME49600. This way you don't have to use as many IC's and the 49600 has excellent specs anyway. I've actually thought about doing this already and have about 30pcs sitting right here on my desk.
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Still no offense. Have a nice day Steph Last edited by steph_tsf; 30th September 2010 at 08:57 AM. |
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Join Date: Mar 2008
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Very interesting approach. Do alternate manufacturers produce pin-compatible devices ? The LME49600 can deliver up to 250mA in a quite small package. The metallic tab helps conveying the heat. The PCB will thus act as heat dissipator. A conventional heat dissipator still can be applied on the IC packages. A 4x4 grid would thus provide 4 A peak. This may be okay for a 8 ohm bridge-tied load arrangement delivering ((24*0.707)**2)/8 = 36 watt RMS.
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