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Old 18th June 2003, 10:07 PM   #21
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On Cattles' page it has the Input capacitor and resistor pointed to pin 8 yet on Nuuk's page it is pointed to pin 7. Which is the right one
Hi rammsteinme, my diagram also shows the input cap and resistor to pin 8! You may be confused by the connection from pin 7 to ground which I have shown running 'behind' the input resistor in my diagram.

Remember, a resistor has only two connections, not four but sorry for any confusion.
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Old 19th June 2003, 04:43 AM   #22
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my diagram also shows the input cap and resistor to pin 8!
I'm looking at this diagram http://www.decdun.fsnet.co.uk/gainclonelayout.html and it shows clearly that the input resistor/capacitor going to pin 7. There is a feedback resistor going to pin 8 but that's about the extent of the activity to pin 8. On the document where there is a step-by-step order of assembling part, on part 9 it states this
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Trim the leadouts of the input resistor and input capacitor so that they fit between the phono socket and pin 7 of the chip. Add sleeving if necessary and solder them together, then to pin 7 of the chip, and lastly to the phono socket.
So it does state that the input resistor/capacitor goes to pin 7. Daniels' gainclone goes from pin8 to a 10K res to a 4.7uf cap and then has a pot before the phono socket for volume control and I assume you skipped that last part.

I may be just an *** and not looking at it correctly at all so please excuse me if I don't see it yet (which does happen from time to time )
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Old 19th June 2003, 04:54 AM   #23
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Decibel Dungeon made a mistake in his drawing, the input goes to pin 8. Here's the schematic I'm using. Some components has been changed, but connections are correct.
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I may be just an *** and not looking at it correctly at all so please excuse me if I don't see it yet (which does happen from time to time )
No, not an *** at all! Just a case of a beginner spotting something that the more experienced didn't well done!

I replied to your post late last night and looked at the circuit diagram on the Gainclone page. I didn't realise that you were looking at the component layout diagram which is, as you point out, wrong.

The input resistor should go to pin 8, NOT pin 7 as shown in that diagram. I'll change it as soon as I have time.

Sorry for the confusion.

And in my amp, the pot has been replaced by a resistor to ground as I use mine as monoblocks with an external preamp.
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Here's the schematic I'm using. Some components has been changed, but connections are correct.
Hi Peter, 'correct me if I am wrong' seems to be a popular phrase here at the moment

Shouldn't the ground connection from pin 7 go to the the signal ground star rather than the power ground star?

I originally did connect mine directly to the power ground star but found that the sound is better going to the signal ground star!
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Of course you are right. But my layout is so tight, I didn't notice any difference where I connect signal ground. So I just use the non inverting input pin and connect it to the closest ground wire. It works fine.
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Hehe... I was pulling my hair out yesterday tracing a circuit of your diagram a couple times to make sure I did it correctly. Glad to know that it was a misprint!

The separate star ground the other thing that I wasn't sure about and wasn't mention on the beginners guide. It was mentioned that you have to do it but not the reason why... I still do not understand the concept because both star grounds will be connected together in the end? (Of course Peter's diagram also confused me slightly because he just took the nearest ground ) But now I understand it has to do with distance but what exactly?

Also is there any reason to use the power ground (0v) to the resistor&cap to case then to the power star ground? I was going to hook it up directly from 0v to the power star ground...

Oh and on the larger diagram (http://www.decdun.fsnet.co.uk/gainclonelayout.html) the speaker terminal outs seems to have the wrong colors (if we follow that the red means positive (+) and black is negative (-)) Misprint?
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Pin 3 is the actual output, common pint at filter caps is circuits ground. Since the GC in that coniguration inverts phase, it should be appropriate to connect speakers - terminal to pin 3 and + terminal to capacitors ground in order to preservr proper phase.
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Here's a nice schematic showing proper ground connections
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Ok, the reason for separate star grounds for signals and power as simply as I can explain it!

Let's use the water analogy! We want the signal as 'pure' as possible and we know the power is 'polluted'. So we want to keep the two separate as best we can.

So the idea is that the returns to the power ground star are returned to the main ground star in the PSU without getting into the signal ground star. Still with me?

In theory, the wire going from the power ground star to the main ground star should be thicker than the wire connecting the signal ground star to it. Thicker wire, less resistance, so the 'pollution' flows to the main ground star and not into the signal ground star where it could affect the signal.
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