The best sounding audio integrated opamps

[Andrea:]

Originally Posted by nad

Don't worry, you didn't make me feel 'dumb'.
Everyone has their own take on everything, some agree, some disagree, that's just the way it goes.

Chow.

I accept that. That doesn't mean I should let my view be drowned.

[nad]

Originally Posted by Andrea:

I accept that. That doesn't mean I should let my view be drowned.

I don't think anyone is trying to 'drown' your opinion by just stating their own.

[Salas]

Originally Posted by Salas

Its a Greek word and we say ''synesthesia''.

Originally Posted by Andrea:

Old Greek, you mean? It would tell that the idea of "all senses merged together into a unitary perception" has far-reaching roots indeed...

Old and new. Means crossing senses. There is the scientific meaning which is about evoking more senses than the one strictly triggered, and there is a wider meaning in every day talk, understanding the whole implications of an act that is. So ''asynesthetos'' popularly means the one who does something without caring about the impact complexities of his action(s), in modern Greek. Can be used about throwing a lit cigarette near (in)flammable material for instance.

Which kinda reminds me and leads me to the usefulness question of this thread as raised by many.

Audioman54 described how he systematically used subjective means employing several differently trained people in DBT ranging from analogue design legend Bob Pease to a secretary in staff and a piano player, so to put some interesting packaging and single/mono chip clues into order and try to scientifically examine from then on. Alas, it wasn't meant to be.

Just because you keep on amassing non controlled ''perfect storm'' subjective data by exchanging op amps at machine gun rate, on some application that nobody knows how each one chip interacts with, its expectable that you gonna get complains. Not because you can hear differences, their very NatSemi designer confirmed that between packages even, but because you may very well confuse non experienced people by quickie recommendations without any kind of steady subjective comparison and tech check system. This is exactly an ''asynesthetos'' practice.

If the complains will keep on mounting and tension breaks loose, keep in mind that a ''lock thread'' isn't something unknown here. Its either a thread gives some tangible info or it tumbles down to a snake pit, even if typical civility is maintained on edge by the participants. After a point has been made i.e. ''I can hear many different sounds by exchanging op amps on my X PC card, and I prefer those 3'' its either there is production of some conclusion based on some system that people can refer to, or it is just boring to many, provocative to some, baggage to DIYA. We had in the past many subjective op amp threads but there is nobody I can recall that was pushing it conclusively so hard. Hold your horses.

[scott wurcer]

Salas,

I defer to your excellent and level headed judgement. In my opinion the comments are coming just too fast and furious and I can not help but think some are down right reckless and just "noise".

[leeperry]

Originally Posted by Salas

If the complains will keep on mounting and tension breaks loose, keep in mind that a ''lock thread'' isn't something unknown here.

lol, did I miss something? what did we do that deserves a lock exactly?

there's many op-amp rolling threads accross many audio forums...of course, it's all subjective...of course, it's to be taken w/ the greatest "IMVHO YMMV" attitude.

I found the LME4972xNA/MA to be totally worthless in my applications, but some ppl like them(the story doesn't tell whether they'll be bored of the inexistent low end bass after a while)...I think instead of ppl whining about this thread, they'd be better off starting rolling as we do and share their experiences...or move on? we never said we were EE's that trust their oscilloscope more than their ears.

all the "best" threads are subjective by essence...it's even forbidden to talk/ask about the "best" on some forums.

no hard feeling I hope

[Salas]

Originally Posted by leeperry

lol, did I miss something? what did we do that deserves a lock exactly?

Read again what you quoted. Since your ''reviewing'' practice, rhythm, wit and style, attracts noise complains, you should always handle it correctly as by the threadstarter and main reporting participants before it mounts into everyday tension. Its just experience info I am passing you, that if something is too hot in the end it could get a lock. DIYA has many very well versed in tech members and/or also having many years of systems building and parts practice, the repetitive complains are mainly about not relaying something useful by not being systematic. I did not write ''you deserve'', I just said you got the ingredients gathered for such a possible scenario. Don't put words in my mouth. Its just an older fellow member's input since you are relatively new members here. The thread starter especially is very fresh. No badge I flashed around.

[leeperry]

well, you can count on scott wurcer to keep on talking to use as if we were 5yo kids...I had no ideas haters and naysayers could kill a thread, I thought mods were here to avoid exactly that. anyway, yeah we're not potential nobel prize winners

[Salas]

Nobody will kill a thread if you will not keep on using names personally like you just did about people that in one way or another, tell you that you better introduce some tempo & order to your info. You may kill a thread if it flames by such posts potentially harshly replied. If you think that those guys have no subjective experience in ''audio'' labelled in datasheet chips, just remember how deeply Audioman54 was conscerned about matters like that, by describing his methods before releasing all those last NatSemi chips. They just never talk off hand. You just failed to understand the friendly advice I gave you about self controlling the thread. Mods are here not to avoid what members must avoid, but to intervene when things get out of hand by the way. So not be surprised if you potentially see your above post gone to Texas or any penalty at any time a mod feels he must, after the post maybe reported by just anybody and by having talked with the team. It will not be me, because its customary here that a thread participant member that happens also to be a mod avoids action against posts, posters, thread, beyond some basic level OT cleaning etc so not to show bias.

[scott wurcer]

Originally Posted by leeperry

well, you can count on scott wurcer to keep on talking to use as if we were 5yo kids...I had no ideas haters and naysayers could kill a thread, I thought mods were here to avoid exactly that. anyway, yeah we're not potential nobel prize winners

This thread has not even touched on methodology. If we dug deeper I fully expect comments like "in five seconds this amp sent me screaming out of the room". If you act like five year old kids expect to be treated as such.

Again an op-amp having "non-existant low end bass" is so absurd it does not deserve serious attention.

[leeperry]

hehe, calling names? anyway, I've added him to my ignore list. problem solved on my end, thank you for your attention gentlemen.

some ppl like to roll op-amps blindly, and should be punished for that I get the idea..my, oh my what has the world come to.