new LM4780 layout, any comments? - Page 3

454Casull · 17th April 2009, 07:39 PM

The new boards look great. Are you planning to sell them in the future?

BrianGT · 17th April 2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by 454Casull
The new boards look great. Are you planning to sell them in the future?

I just did a small order of boards for now, and won't be selling them on the website too soon. If you want to build one with the boards, let me know and I can sell you a cheap set as a beta tester.

My plan was to build one and test it, and have a few friends build and test a few also. I don't foresee any issues with the boards, I just like to be thorough.

If anyone wants a set to try out, drop me an e-mail.

I have a busy weekend, autocrossing with the wife, but will try to start a build next week. I located a heatsink in my basement today to use.

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Brian

gfiandy · 18th April 2009, 02:10 PM

Hi Brian,

You have used split bridges for the power supply for the two different rails and then shared the current paths back to the trasformer buy usign one big plane between the capacitors.

Since you have split the rectification with two bridges, the rectifier currents will flow in a loop through the capacitor C10 and 12 for the +ve rail and C9 and C11 for the -ve rail. This means that to get the minimum rectifier noise on your star point you want to split the return paths for these two rectifiers and join them back at the connection between the two rectifiers. Then a third path should join at the rectifiers to feed the rest of the amplifer star. This way none of the rectifier currents flow in copper shared with the star point, this should reduce the ripple on the ground slightly.

Since you have already had the boards made you could try this out by cutting two slots into the ground plan to isolate a path up to the "star point" OG gnd.

This is only a minor point as you already have a good design but since you are cleary wanting to get the best out of it it may give you a slight improvement.

Regards,
Andrew

454Casull · 19th April 2009, 10:37 PM

Question: why not square pads for polarized components?

BionicSniper · 20th April 2009, 01:03 AM

It looks good but whats up with the loopy traces. Wheres the nice 45* angles....

454Casull · 25th April 2009, 08:28 PM

I might be interested in getting a few of those LM4780 boards for myself, but I'd be using an external PS. Would it be advantageous to use some filtering caps on the amp board too?

EDIT: I see that the board can be snapped off for just the amp. The ground trace looks mighty thin on the top, though, between C1-C6 and CHG, OG1, OG2.

BrianGT · 25th April 2009, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 454Casull
I might be interested in getting a few of those LM4780 boards for myself, but I'd be using an external PS. Would it be advantageous to use some filtering caps on the amp board too?

EDIT: I see that the board can be snapped off for just the amp. The ground trace looks mighty thin on the top, though, between C1-C6 and CHG, OG1, OG2.

The boards are not made to snap apart. I put a line there for a reference, should anyone decide that they would like to cut them apart. I also added the 3 pads for wiring to an external power supply.

Atilla · 28th April 2009, 02:39 PM

If I wanted to parallel the 2 channels of one board and then use two boards like this in a bridged configuration, I should't have any problems, should I ?

AndrewT · 28th April 2009, 02:48 PM

It's better with regard to PSU and decoupling to bridge the pair of amps inside the single chip and parallel the two dual chips.
It reduces the current in each supply rail and removes much of the rail shut off that cannot be avoided with a ClassAB output stage. The rail currents approach the rail current modulation of a push pull ClassA output stage.

nrg2009 · 2nd May 2009, 05:36 AM

I like the concept! especially in stereo configuration this makes a great compact powerful package.

17th April 2009, 07:39 PM	#21
454Casull diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada	The new boards look great. Are you planning to sell them in the future? __________________ Building a 2.1 system out of a 3/4"x4'x8' sheet

19th April 2009, 10:37 PM	#24
454Casull diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada	Question: why not square pads for polarized components? __________________ Building a 2.1 system out of a 3/4"x4'x8' sheet

25th April 2009, 08:28 PM	#26
454Casull diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada	I might be interested in getting a few of those LM4780 boards for myself, but I'd be using an external PS. Would it be advantageous to use some filtering caps on the amp board too? EDIT: I see that the board can be snapped off for just the amp. The ground trace looks mighty thin on the top, though, between C1-C6 and CHG, OG1, OG2. __________________ Building a 2.1 system out of a 3/4"x4'x8' sheet

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18th April 2009, 02:10 PM	#23
gfiandy Audio Engineer diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cambridge UK	Hi Brian, You have used split bridges for the power supply for the two different rails and then shared the current paths back to the trasformer buy usign one big plane between the capacitors. Since you have split the rectification with two bridges, the rectifier currents will flow in a loop through the capacitor C10 and 12 for the +ve rail and C9 and C11 for the -ve rail. This means that to get the minimum rectifier noise on your star point you want to split the return paths for these two rectifiers and join them back at the connection between the two rectifiers. Then a third path should join at the rectifiers to feed the rest of the amplifer star. This way none of the rectifier currents flow in copper shared with the star point, this should reduce the ripple on the ground slightly. Since you have already had the boards made you could try this out by cutting two slots into the ground plan to isolate a path up to the "star point" OG gnd. This is only a minor point as you already have a good design but since you are cleary wanting to get the best out of it it may give you a slight improvement. Regards, Andrew

20th April 2009, 01:03 AM	#25
BionicSniper diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ames, Iowa	It looks good but whats up with the loopy traces. Wheres the nice 45* angles....

28th April 2009, 02:39 PM	#28
Atilla diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2008	If I wanted to parallel the 2 channels of one board and then use two boards like this in a bridged configuration, I should't have any problems, should I ?

28th April 2009, 02:48 PM	#29
AndrewT diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Scottish Borders	It's better with regard to PSU and decoupling to bridge the pair of amps inside the single chip and parallel the two dual chips. It reduces the current in each supply rail and removes much of the rail shut off that cannot be avoided with a ClassAB output stage. The rail currents approach the rail current modulation of a push pull ClassA output stage.

2nd May 2009, 05:36 AM	#30
nrg2009 diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Detroit, born and raised in the netherlands.	I like the concept! especially in stereo configuration this makes a great compact powerful package.

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