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Old 7th February 2013, 12:14 AM   #151
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For the original at post 1, circa May 2008, here is a slightly revised schematic, with the updates, protection, and quality control patches added. I've also modified the speaker zobel to use 1/4 watt resistors for lower cost.

If it is your intention to crack the plaster rockin the house with an LM1875 chip, I would suggest to Avoid this mixed coupled design. Mixed/direct coupled designs provide a flatter response by omitting an important signal capacitor and that omission causes decreased dynamics and decreased durability. The design posted below is for near-field, mixer-desk, a point of reference, and for relaxing with a non-shout amp that has good resolution and a flat response. It is very helpful for near-field/mixing so that you don't accidentally overdo the audio compression on tracks.

The intended source is a computer sound card. The gain is rather high on this amplifier so that you don't have to turn the computer up high enough to strain/clip itself. This was thoroughly checked out with RMAA software and a very wide variety of computer chips and sound cards.

It does also need mains fuse and speaker jack fuse. Monobloc/dualmono is suggested so that you can somewhat control current via transformer selection and so that you can enjoy wider imaging.
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Old 7th February 2013, 01:14 PM   #152
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Yes.

Replace R1 with a variable resistor (made from a 1k trimmer, and connect its center pin to one of the outboard pins). This is a very useful low loss tone control; however, I think that the kit's arbitrary 1k fixed resistor is inappropriate. That part must be made adjustable. This area is a sort of a fine tuning to help balance out the other options.

Replace C3, R4, and R5 with something more sensible:
C3 will need to be larger value for quality bass.
Both R4 and R5 will need to be smaller values.

Apparently, the K50 designers compromised Every other audio feature in trade for a harmonically flat response. While we might accept some soundfield size compromise in trade for a no-shout tone, the overall lack of resolution in the k50 kit is inexcusable.

To get as close as possible to the K50 tone while increasing the resolution, change the R5, 180k to 110K (220k topside parallel with 220k trackside and minimized pin length for both).

That will incur the need of re-setting the gain. Once again staying as close as possible to the K50 tone, we need to stay with a small value for C3. Therefore, change C3 to 100u in parallel with a 10n polyester cap. After that, you can change R4 to 3.3K.

That's a decent gain and a slightly warm setting that will let you experiment with input cap (c1) size to adjust H1/H2 (cold/warm) harmonic bass balance.

The minimal mod in this post does not fix the soundfield size and likewise does not risk making the amp shouty. However, these minimal mods do increase the resolution, without really changing the K50's tone.

For more bass slam and higher resolution via decreased noise and decreased dc pollution of small signal, you can try changing R3 to 12k or even 10k.

This is not a balanced drive amplifier so, R3 and R5 won't match even if set to the same value, thus you don't need to match those two values for voltage, but rather the thing to match is Current and bear in mind that a small signal source pushes at R3 while a Power Amp pushes at R5, so a closer match for current always has R5 at a higher value and the amount that R5 should be higher (to decrease current) is affected by the proportion of the gain. The LTP will attempt to compensate, so the R3,R5 resistor values won't need to be different in same proportion as the gain, and therefore you'll have some exploring to do. Standard miller comp does have such caveats. I just wished to illustrate that these two values don't need to be the same value for a failed attempt for voltage match at the expense of ridiculous current mismatch. There's the output of a power amp pushing on only one of those resistors. SO, perhaps the news is different than with preamps.

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If you want to increase the soundfield size, you'll need to pull more feedback current by doing More of this: C3 will need to be larger value for quality bass. Both R4 and R5 will need to be smaller values.
You'll end up with something like 33K~75K (likely 47k~68k) range for feedback resistor, approximately 330u (more or less) for C3, and to fix the tone you'd end up changing both of the 220u power caps to High Quality 470u (or you can do 220u||220u if you have identical models of ordinary caps).
Just about every time you go for a bigger soundfield with an op-amp you'll also get a more shouty tone. So, the first step is to change the power caps up to a very high quality model of 470u to allow room for exploration. And then you try to discover the R4, C3, R5 combination that arrives at a make-break compromise in-between shout versus soundfield size. That is chosen suitable for your system, so I can't chose it for you.
However, I do suggest to "cheat" by making monoblocs because the fully independent units do a wider stereo separation which is indirectly helpful on the more difficult matter of soundfield size versus tone with op-amps. In some texts, soundfield size is vaguely called "imaging." And I really do suggest a head start by making monoblocs/dualmono. In my opinion, the price for the additional transformer and power supply is really worth it.

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As far as the 100K pot goes, it probably works fine; however, I'd suggest to attempt loading it down to a 50K value in some way or simply buying any old 50K pot. Simply put, 100k is lossy for resolution and bad for noise, 20k is dull but not noisy; however, 50k is an excellent compromise and fairly neutral. They cost about $2, so there's no need to use the wrong pot value.

Thanks again. This will be in my office system using Panadora for tunes thru our iPod. Found some 50k pots here...so just add it before the 1st resistor? Can I or should I eliminate any resistors? I want something down and dirty...build once and forget about it...let her play.
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Old 7th February 2013, 03:28 PM   #153
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Hello !

About schematic above , post #151, on outpout there are 6600f non-polar capacitors...
What is your explanation about ?
Not easy to source (or electrolytics polar 12000f series connection ?)
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Old 7th February 2013, 04:27 PM   #154
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I don't find much logic either in avoiding a cap in the feedback loop (so it amplifies DC) and then adding huge (unneeded) caps in the output. ??
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Old 7th February 2013, 05:53 PM   #155
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Click the image to open in full size.

I know it's an old post, but am I the only one who turns "pentawatt" type chips forty five degrees, so they fit nicely in the 2.54mm 1/10" matrix and you don't have to stretch them as shown above?

Also, I had good results with lm1875 into (nominally) 4 ohms 88dB speakers, though not with this threads schematic or voltage.
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Old 7th February 2013, 06:10 PM   #156
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Well, spreading their legs open doesn't hurt anyway.
Doesn't turn them 45 complicate mounting?
And yes, power is more than enough for home listening with typical "HiFi" speakers
I'm using a couple TDA2050 (which is about the same) as PC monitors.
Sure beats the "200W PMPO" 2" plastic speakers powered from the 5V USB connector
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Old 7th February 2013, 06:32 PM   #157
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Well, spreading their legs open doesn't hurt anyway.
Doesn't turn them 45 complicate mounting?
Yeah, i;m probably a little OCD about finding that perfect fit. Doesn't really complicate mounting. I just cut the board diagonally if the sink is too big to sit on/above the board.
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Old 7th February 2013, 06:57 PM   #158
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Were my questions above to dumb to warrant a response from anyone
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Old 7th February 2013, 08:47 PM   #159
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I beg your pardon?
I answered YOU in post #149
As of BOM, choose one schematic of the various posted and write a parts list down.
Less than 10 items anyway.
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Old 7th February 2013, 10:01 PM   #160
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Sorry Fahey- I don't understand- post #149 is about heat syncs
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