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redrabbit 11th March 2008 05:25 AM

Apex power op amps
 
There are a few threads here and there about these somewhat pricey power opamps.

The general thoughts are....they can be used like any of our chipamp circuits. But care needed regarding their S.O.A. , and good power supply noise rejection, and protection.

I am going to build an amp, or two, or three, or....

I have 11 of the PA12
http://apex.cirrus.com/en/pubs/proDatasheet/PA12U_R.pdf
All are "pulled" from motor speed-control products.

I guess Apex was bought/merged (?) with Cirrus Logic, so all the old Apex web links are almost gone. All the relevant info can now be found here:
http://apex.cirrus.com/en/products/apex/documents.html

Most applicable Application notes for audio amps are AN3, 8, 11, 17, 22
and this really great article:
Protect Those Expensive Power Op Amps


Digikey is now selling many of the Cirrus/Apex products, including the hard-to-find TO-3/8 sockets and heatsinks:
Digikey page

Has anyone "bridged" two of these before? There are a few diagrams in the Ap Notes...
Parallel Connections AN26

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y17...N20_bridge.gif

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miklos 23rd March 2008 04:56 AM

I got a pair of PA46 from a friend.
I built a small 35W amp with them.
Sound pretty good. I would put some pictures here, but I don't know how.

benchtester 23rd March 2008 07:40 AM

Apex power op amps
 
Back in 1999 I built amps with the Apex PA19, PA05 and PA45 power op amps.

The PA19 is my favorite. It is nearly "blameless". :spin: The only deficiency I think I detect is a slight "MOSFET mist"; but this is very slight and possibly a subjective artifact. It is limited to 5 amps, so it probably shouldn't be used with low sensitive or difficult speakers.

The PA05 has better power but wasn't quite as transparent as the PA19. But I think the PA05 is comparable to a Krell 250, so it is very listenable. (By the way, one of my two chips died; so if someone wants to buy it, I will consider a offer, or if someone has a PA05 chip available I would consider buying a mate for mine.)

The PA45 is much more affordable and acceptable below 2 khz. But it lacked clarity at higher frequencies. I have forgotten the exact comparison, but the PA45 is in the same class as the LM3886 "gainclone". Maybe the PA45 was better on the low end and the LM3886 was a bit better on the high end. :confused:

Next, I applied them as a triamp (with active crossovers) with the PA19 for the tweeter, PA05 on midrange and PA45 on the woofer. It worked out pretty good. Although the power capabilities of the PA05 was underutilized.

I have always been curious about the PA12. I will look forward to your reports on your project.

Recently, I listened to a LM4702 demo amp from National Semiconductor. In the brief time I could listen to it; I was very impressed. In the next few months, I plan to build an amp with the new National chips. Although I will probably try the LME49810 since it has a higher slew rate and more current output.

miklos 24th March 2008 07:39 PM

Could somebody tell me please how to post pictures?
Thanks.

peranders 24th March 2008 07:55 PM

Check the bottom of the page "attach file" when you are in the "Post Reply" mode.

miklos 24th March 2008 08:15 PM

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Thanks.
Here are some pics:

miklos 24th March 2008 08:18 PM

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box open

KSTR 24th March 2008 08:18 PM

Well, I have used Apex hybrids, though not for audio....

... still some comments.

These will probably do as good (or as bad, choose your camp) as any integrated/hybrid power opamp.

WRT bridging, while the Master/Slave concept is common in industrial apps and sometimes a life-saver, for audio bridging it doesn't seem to be the best topology (although one can find it implemented in many design there). The slave re-amplifies all the distortion/noise of the master.

- Klaus

miklos 24th March 2008 08:21 PM

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yes, probably.

KSTR 24th March 2008 08:21 PM

Nice (CNC?)milled PCB!


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