Go Back   Home > Forums > Amplifiers > Chip Amps
Home Forums Articles Gallery Blogs Register Donations FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Chip Amps Amplifiers based on integrated circuits

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 22nd June 2007, 02:00 AM   #1
jarthel is offline jarthel  
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: somewhere in Australia
Default difference between bridged and parallel?

the lm4780 can be bridged or paralleled.

can someone explain the difference?

thank you
ps. I searched but nothing came up
  Reply With Quote
Old 22nd June 2007, 02:06 AM   #2
diyAudio Member
 
jackinnj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Llanddewi Brefi, NJ
the bridged chipamp will have somewhat lower distortion, but PdMax is much higher, thus the max allowable rail voltage for a given output impedance is lower.

the paralleled chipamp is great for low impedance loads, distortion is a trifle higher.

you can mix and match to your heart's desire, i think that the bridged version sounds great with speakers with a nominal 8 ohm load.
  Reply With Quote
Old 23rd June 2007, 09:20 AM   #3
AndrewT is online now AndrewT  
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Scottish Borders
Hi,
look up the chipamp datsheets. Most of them show the circuits for both parallel operation and for bridging.

The parallel chipamp allows loads of half impedance to be driven safely.

The bridged chipamp allows double the impedance to be driven at up to double the power.

Take an example that can drive 60W into 8r0 from +-35Vdc supply rails.

A parallel pair will put out almost 120W into 4r0 from +-35Vdc.

A bridged pair will put out about 120W into 16r from +-35Vdc. Not a particularly popular speaker option today.

Take your parallel pair and bridge them into a quad. This would boost the maximum power to about 240W into 8r0.

Note, that throughout I refer to a non reactive load of 4r0, 8r0 or 16r.
Speakers are reactive. The worst case loading appears to be about 75% of the nominal load, i.e. 8ohm gives about 6r0 and some phase angle which asks for more current and combines high voltage with current output. But, unfortunately the actual worst case for starting and stopping of a transient approaches about half the expected reactance. The chipamp is asked to deliver short term transients into loads near 35% to 40% of the nominal speaker impedance. The protection circuits inside the chipamps do not like high currents, nor high temperatures nor high voltages, particularly when all these can occur at the same time. I recommend that you interpret National's advice on maximum power into the selected load to apply to the worst case loading of 35% to 40% of the nominal speaker load. On that basis most single chipamps should never be asked to deliver maximum power into loads of less than 8ohm (reactive). If one were to adopt the lower supply voltages that National give data on, then by ensuring that the maximum output current never hits the VI limiting, then lower impedances can be driven.
__________________
regards Andrew T.
  Reply With Quote
Old 24th June 2007, 07:12 PM   #4
Yomanze is offline Yomanze  
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
What about a 6ohm load? I've got a pair of original Mission 780SEs that like a bit of current.

Cheers
  Reply With Quote
Old 25th June 2007, 06:49 AM   #5
AndrewT is online now AndrewT  
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Scottish Borders
Quote:
Originally posted by Yomanze
What about a 6ohm load? I've got a pair of original Mission 780SEs that like a bit of current.

Cheers
Hi,
If you accept my logic then a 6ohm capable chip amp should be designed to deliver it's maximum voltage and maximum current into 2r4.
This is for short term loading only and not for heatsink sizing, since the worst loading can ONLY occur on starting and stopping of sudden change transients.
Design the heatsink and power supply side for 4r8.
__________________
regards Andrew T.
  Reply With Quote
Old 25th June 2007, 06:53 AM   #6
Electrons are yellow
diyAudio Member
 
peranders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Göteborg, Sweden
Blog Entries: 3
Default Re: difference between bridged and parallel?

Quote:
Originally posted by jarthel
the lm4780 can be bridged or paralleled.

can someone explain the difference?

thank you
ps. I searched but nothing came up
A LM4780 is 2 x LM3886 in one package.

More info here:
http://www.national.com/an/AN/AN-1192.pdf
__________________
/Per-Anders (my first name) or P-A as my friends call me
BPA300 Group Buy Round 4, SMD-kit and DRV134 pcb. Not too late to sign up. Sign up HERE
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
LM4780 in bridged or parallel to keep Pdmax down? jaste Chip Amps 8 11th July 2008 09:46 AM
Bridged Parallel Amp Questions h_andree Chip Amps 11 5th February 2004 03:32 PM
Parallel or Bridged 100watter amt Chip Amps 23 30th November 2003 01:05 AM
ZenV4 in parallel (not bridged) paulb Pass Labs 2 1st October 2002 12:57 AM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 09:57 AM.

Page generated in 0.08230090 seconds (78.67% PHP - 21.33% MySQL) with 10 queries

Copyright ©1999-2010 diyAudio