follow up: LM3886 RC filter + DC offset questions.

blackboy · 29th April 2007, 02:22 PM

I try removing my input cap today, the BC 4.7uf mkp. Now the DC offset back to 10mv and -30mv (was -50mv and -90mv)... why?? even higher DC offset with cap? I know it's dangerous without this cap. Wish my discman not giving out any DC... Thx again, guys!

Juergen Knoop · 29th April 2007, 02:32 PM

a schematic would help

regards

blackboy · 29th April 2007, 03:34 PM

I totally follow Mick's design.
http://dogbreath.de/Chipamps/ThreeRe...reeResAmp.html
then, I added a Zobel network which is "100nf + 2.7r"
finally a 10k volume pot after signal input and then RC filter "4.7uf + 15k" after the pot, thats it, nothing else... thx!

Juergen Knoop · 29th April 2007, 07:48 PM

the circuit has a high dc-gain
removing the cap lowers resistance seen by the input bias current, which means lowering current induced offset voltage
maybe this could explain the observed behaviour
regards

AndrewT · 29th April 2007, 08:05 PM

Hi,
a fully DC coupled power amp. You have a lot of faith.

Have you now re-fitted the DC blocking cap at the input?
And is it after the passive pot?

I hear that pots become noisey if they have a long term DC applied to them (from the discman). A DC block before the pot may also be required for long pot life.

I do not see any mention of RF filter at the input to your power amp.

blackboy · 30th April 2007, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AndrewT
Hi,

I do not see any mention of RF filter at the input to your power amp.

ya, I put the RF filter AFTER the pot, is there any difference from BEFORE the pot? I have tried before the pot, but the DC offset is just the same.

markiemrboo · 30th April 2007, 11:26 AM

Are you testing this with a source connected? Or with the inputs shorted to ground?

If it's with the source connected - perhaps a long shot - but might it be possible that the source is putting a tiny amount of 'positive' DC out and giving you those values?

E.g assuming a gain of 20, if the source has a DC offset of 3mV:

+3mV (source offset) * 20 (gain of amp) = +60mV
-50mV (the offset that the amp itself is producing) + +60mV (3mV from source multiplied by the gain) = +10mV

When you put the input cap back in it just appears worse because the source is not 'cancelling' out the offset, and you're only seeing the offset that the amp itself is producing.

Just a thought

blackboy · 30th April 2007, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by markiemrboo

When you put the input cap back in it just appears worse because the source is not 'cancelling' out the offset, and you're only seeing the offset that the amp itself is producing.

Just a thought

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WOW, I think you got the point! thx! however, how can I reduce these high -voltage offset?

Juergen Knoop · 30th April 2007, 06:27 PM

Quote:

WOW, I think you got the point!

easy to check! redo the offset measurement without a source connected. But leave the pot in place.
regards

blackboy · 2nd May 2007, 04:48 PM

I test again today by remove the input caps... no matter there is input or not, the offset is arround 20 and -30mv... I am confused again... after I have put the caps back, it come back to -90.. - 50.. omg!! whats the problem.....???

29th April 2007, 02:22 PM	#1
blackboy diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2007	follow up: LM3886 RC filter + DC offset questions. I try removing my input cap today, the BC 4.7uf mkp. Now the DC offset back to 10mv and -30mv (was -50mv and -90mv)... why?? even higher DC offset with cap? I know it's dangerous without this cap. Wish my discman not giving out any DC... Thx again, guys!

29th April 2007, 08:05 PM	#5
AndrewT diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Scottish Borders	Hi, a fully DC coupled power amp. You have a lot of faith. Have you now re-fitted the DC blocking cap at the input? And is it after the passive pot? I hear that pots become noisey if they have a long term DC applied to them (from the discman). A DC block before the pot may also be required for long pot life. I do not see any mention of RF filter at the input to your power amp. __________________ regards Andrew T.

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29th April 2007, 02:32 PM	#2
Juergen Knoop diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Blog Entries: 3	a schematic would help regards

29th April 2007, 03:34 PM	#3
blackboy diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2007	I totally follow Mick's design. http://dogbreath.de/Chipamps/ThreeRe...reeResAmp.html then, I added a Zobel network which is "100nf + 2.7r" finally a 10k volume pot after signal input and then RC filter "4.7uf + 15k" after the pot, thats it, nothing else... thx!

29th April 2007, 07:48 PM	#4
Juergen Knoop diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Blog Entries: 3	the circuit has a high dc-gain removing the cap lowers resistance seen by the input bias current, which means lowering current induced offset voltage maybe this could explain the observed behaviour regards

30th April 2007, 11:26 AM	#7
markiemrboo diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Great Yarmouth, UK	Are you testing this with a source connected? Or with the inputs shorted to ground? If it's with the source connected - perhaps a long shot - but might it be possible that the source is putting a tiny amount of 'positive' DC out and giving you those values? E.g assuming a gain of 20, if the source has a DC offset of 3mV: +3mV (source offset) * 20 (gain of amp) = +60mV -50mV (the offset that the amp itself is producing) + +60mV (3mV from source multiplied by the gain) = +10mV When you put the input cap back in it just appears worse because the source is not 'cancelling' out the offset, and you're only seeing the offset that the amp itself is producing. Just a thought

2nd May 2007, 04:48 PM	#10
blackboy diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2007	I test again today by remove the input caps... no matter there is input or not, the offset is arround 20 and -30mv... I am confused again... after I have put the caps back, it come back to -90.. - 50.. omg!! whats the problem.....???

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