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Old 27th February 2006, 02:03 AM   #1
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Default friend lacks midbass - need help!

hey fellas

my buddy has a system is his camaro which roughly consists of a clarion headunit, kenwood amp, and orion subs...he has complained that he cant really feel the thump of a good kick drum....all he hears is superlow stuff and he wants more midbass....i have already messed with the amps Xovers and we cant get the sound he wants

i read a CAAE article about how the kick drum thump is heard between 100 and 500 Hz, which isnt within the Orion's ideal operating range, so he wants to get some midbass drivers...his in dash speakers are small so no chance of midbass there

he wants to spend around 60 bucks on a pair of decent midbass drivers....im gonna build the boxes for him, and he is gonna use an amplifier whose specs i currently dont have...ill look em up and post em later...its a decent amplifier, not HUGe power but not weak either...

any suggestions for brands? anything you have used personally that you can recommend? any other approaches to fixing this problem?

i have heard that midbass drivers need be located in the front of the vehicle...is this mandatory? what effect does placing them in the rear have on sound?

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Old 27th February 2006, 02:27 AM   #2
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i have heard that midbass drivers need be located in the front of the vehicle...is this mandatory? what effect does placing them in the rear have on sound?
Want to hear them or not?


A good midbass would be the 5.25" Silver-Flute. Excellent and only 15$ each. They're made for home audio but might work...

http://www.madisound.com/silverflute.html
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Old 27th February 2006, 03:04 AM   #3
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Could the midbass from the sub be in opposite phase with the midrange drivers and cancelling out? If you havent already, you might want to check the wirings.

PS. I think even small drivers can go below 500hz
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Old 27th February 2006, 03:23 AM   #4
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PS. I think even small drivers can go below 500hz
vented f3 55Hz with the S-F 5.35" drivers.

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Could the midbass from the sub be in opposite phase with the midrange drivers and cancelling out? If you havent already, you might want to check the wirings.
Possible. Try inverting the phase of the subs.
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Old 27th February 2006, 03:23 AM   #5
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Want to hear them or not?

yesssss ill look into the silver flutes, thanks for the post

i havent checked to make sure the dash speakers are wired correctly...but the subs are...i understand where u are coming from on this point, but it seems like a small lil 4 inch cheap coaxial might not be able to perform down to 100 Hz like a midbass would

now what are some options for effective midbass locations? do they need to be visible to be effective, or can i hide them up under the dash?
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Old 27th February 2006, 03:33 AM   #6
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now what are some options for effective midbass locations? do they need to be visible to be effective, or can i hide them up under the dash?
Now someone else has to reply : I never played in car audio.

I don't remember at what freq. sound starts being directional.


Hi-Fi in a car...(No, these cheap things are not cheap sounding) I wonder what kind of result it will be. I have the 8" shielded Silver-Flutes waiting for a box and they seem pretty good even in free-air only.
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Old 27th February 2006, 04:02 AM   #7
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the freq at which point sound starts to become directional isnt absolute, it varies with whatever cone size you are using....at least, i recall david weems teaching me that...

since its a smaller driver, and the freq i desire are relatively low, there shouldnt be any problem with directionality and i should be able to mount them out of sight...

however, this is an estimate for home audio...i am not sure if the same rules apply for the car
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Old 28th February 2006, 01:42 PM   #8
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dont let this thread die already...i want more input...

if not, im going silver flutes
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Old 28th February 2006, 02:01 PM   #9
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You could wait a day or two, someone might reply.
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Old 8th March 2006, 12:44 AM   #10
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i thought someone would have mentioned the adire audio extremis
or perhaps the TB tang band has the W6-1139SC 6.5".
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