"high quality" car amp???

[zagisrule!]

So you like cheap speakers and amps as long as you have an enclosure that does not sound like cardboard?

Gainclones are worse than almost any discrete design...so running them off a SMPS is a worse idea than buying the cheap amps you want. In fact it is almost as stupid as running them off your AC inverter and back through a normal transformer!

Ha...and 24db why? What a frickin waste there is no reason for it when the whole system is bound to be crap anyway.

Basically you are saying you will get cheap amp and speakers, then apply fiberglass enclosures and 24db crossovers and call it good?




-Matt

[SkinnyBoy]

Originally posted by zagisrule!
So you like cheap speakers and amps as long as you have an enclosure that does not sound like cardboard?

Gainclones are worse than almost any discrete design...so running them off a SMPS is a worse idea than buying the cheap amps you want. In fact it is almost as stupid as running them off your AC inverter and back through a normal transformer!

Ha...and 24db why? What a frickin waste there is no reason for it when the whole system is bound to be **** anyway.

Basically you are saying you will get cheap amp and speakers, then apply fiberglass enclosures and 24db crossovers and call it good?

-Matt

you didn't actually read my posts.. did you? and no way in a gainclone worse than a cheap amp...

[zagisrule!]

Originally posted by SkinnyBoy
yet the cheaper amp has always been considered "lower quality" WHY!?!?!? I'm sure the build quality is the same... amplifier PCB layout isn't THAT critical.. AND YOUR IN A CAR FOR FRIKS SAKE!!!!

I think that we all gave you good enough reasons to conclude that the build quality is different.

Originally posted by SkinnyBoy
but that its not good quality. How does that work? meh, oh well. would I notice this POOR QUALITY amp if I ran Peerless speakers off it?

Ok, so you just said you are going to get crappy amp and speakers.

Originally posted by SkinnyBoy

is there anything stopping me from using a gainclone to run the tweets, either running off a home made switchmode powersupply, or a home made, low frequency, inefficient psu...

also, I wasn't going to mount the speakers straight into the doors.... I was going to make sealed fibreglass pods.... I don't like speakers that sound like they are mounted in cardboard boxes

We certainly would not want cardboard like sound, I agree with you on that! But a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link(s).

Originally posted by SkinnyBoy
confused? no....

I would make my own active crossover... which means I would really like to find an amp that didn't already have any crappy filtering inbuilt.. or, like I said, bypass all of it by modifying the amp

http://sound.westhost.com/project09.htm

also, the 24dB/oct means I can cross the tweeter over abit lower without having to worry about a reduction in power handling

Yes, external crossover is a fine idea, bi-amping that is great! Problem is it will still sound bad, you are better of just saving your money and running everything with passive x-o's and one amp.

And gainclones are nothing but a sorry example for the "audiophile" community's lack of thought and cheapness. Yes they sound bad, yes I have heard them and they don't even come close to what a good MOSFET amplifier sounds like. Before you even start going into this, have you built a real discrete amplifier? No, I would be willing to bet you haven't or the gainclones would be in the trashcan.

In fact the whole gainclone concept is just people being cheap. Notice how many people get samples of the $5 national IC's? Samples for an amplifier that would cost only say $15 to buy everything for! And category 5 speaker wire too! What a crock that is....yes it sounds different because of parasitic inductance, resistance and capacitance, but not in a good way!





-Matt

[SkinnyBoy]

maybe we should just close this thread too hey....

[zagisrule!]

-Matt

[SkinnyBoy]

Originally posted by zagisrule!









-Matt

alright... fine.. what drivers would you consider high, or atleast reasonable, quality?

[zagisrule!]

I'm running Infinity Perfect 5.1's now...but then again they are $400 a set for the mids/tweets.

I'm not sure on true hi-fi lower cost stuff, but I like the Infinity stuff (used to have the Reference series componenets ~ $200US and they sounded alright). There are many component systems in the $200-$400 range from other companies such as Focal, JL and MB Quart that are really nice sounding too. I am just letting you know that your priorities seem to be in the wrong spots, there is no reason for such an elaborate system (fiberglass and possibly bi-amping) if you are on a budget. You can get decent results simply by adding some damping material within the door and using a single better amp and passive crossovers. When you are limited by bad equipment, all your efforts would be basically in vain.






-Matt

[SkinnyBoy]

you don't even know anything about Peerless and Seas, do you? lol

[zagisrule!]

Not true buddy.

Cheap construction overall, chinsy stamped baskets, tiny magnets and small voice coil diameter seems to be typical of their offerings. The paper cone present on their cheaper models does not handle lower midbass all that well either.








-Matt

[SkinnyBoy]

Originally posted by zagisrule!
Not true buddy.

Cheap construction overall, chinsy stamped baskets, tiny magnets and small voice coil diameter seems to be typical of their offerings. The paper cone present on their cheaper models does not handle lower midbass all that well either.

well, obviously you don't... lol

who cares if they have stamped baskets? doesn't effect the sound, if anything, its better... very decent sized magnets for the size of the speakers.. ALOT bigger than most car audio drivers, and the 6.5's I have have a 33mm diameter VC, vs your 5 1/4's 31.75mm.. seems reasonable, yes?? and they handle midbass AND bass EXTREMELY well!!!!