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Old 24th August 2004, 05:02 AM   #1
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Default 100W up to 3000W amp for whitenoise

I Need an amplifier at 100W or more, and to be cheap as possible, I dont need it for sound, however I do need an audio amp.

I need whitenoise blasted into a box, in theory it will make the water molecules 'shake appart' now if this works thats great, if it dosnt I dont want to have lost alot of money yaknow?

Ive got the box (which is a half arsed version)

Now heres the specs that I know of:
- It will preferably be mono, I only need one output

- It will preferably be at 100W or more of real power (i dont know all the terms but i know that i need it at min 100W and as high as 2000W is fine (if its somehow cheaper)

- I dont want a filter that I know of, I'm hitting it with white noise, which is basicly that annoying static.

- I need it to ouput at preferably 1.5V or 12V is ok (it can be slightly higher and slightly lower, for the lower 1.2 - 1.8V is fine, and for the 12V quite literally as long as its constant anything will work, but I cant yet handel more then 15V with my setup

- Preferably if this is modular, or someway that I can use it to build a 1000+W system would be nice, although not really required. (if I get the results I expect im going to need more power)

Can anybody help me here? I'm not afraid to build anything (heck I built my white noise generator) I simply need this to be as cheap as humanly possible, and if i get lets say part a which requires a $1000 part B, then part a is still to high, yaknow?

Thanks in advance for your help!

and if sombody has asked a similar question or somthing and i missed it during my 2 hours worth of searching, please excuse me, im not always good with syntax, so could you tell me the syntax you used?
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Old 24th August 2004, 07:05 AM   #2
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blast water apart?? like make water mist form in the box?? I belive that can be done with an ultrasonic transducer and a simple driver circuit...but I;m not too sure about what you really hope to achieve...
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Old 24th August 2004, 10:44 AM   #3
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I used blast because, I couldnt spell I had a brain fart, I need it to resonante, to basicly shake the watter molecules appart in an otherwise standard eletrolisys box. I hope to achieve enough gas to run little engines (like a lawnmower) with great efficency, and relativly small size. (although granted not that small)

It also needs to run off of a 12 V system, Idealy the lawnmower will power an alternator or other charging device to power a battery to run this, so im going to assume its the same as a cars eletrical system, which is between 12 and 13.8 right?

I think im going to go with the LM3886 amp chip design thing, But now I'm in the process of finding a DC - DC converter, which will take the 12 VDC in and give me 35- and 35+ DC i think is how it goes, although it seams thats sopposed to be a total of around 70V, but it dosnt make sence to me, why not just say 70VDC? o well...... maybe ill find the answer... any help will be appriceated, as i will post once ive got a plan to have it ran over by sombody with more intelegence then me, so I dont make a mistake...

IT seams the LM3886 (using around 3) will give me around 150 Watts, is this true? and it seams it will cost only around $30-40

also one thing i dont quite get, can the DC to DC converter ment for 3 of these, handel 50?

TIA again!
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Old 24th August 2004, 11:04 AM   #4
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try using Class D instead...since u;re not gonna listen to the stuff...I suspect u might wanna find something else rather than a speaker...coz a speaker is not really that efficient (compared to motors and such)
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Old 24th August 2004, 11:17 AM   #5
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Ok Im going to give you guys a hypothetical on how it should work so you can better understand my position.....

First the electrolizer box consists of stainless steel plates (in my super cheap fasion, there actually used stainless steel wall plate covers (with the holes coverd in)) inside a box, which is basicly like a small rectangular fish tank, except the walls arnt made of glass there made of a special plastic, now all the plates are not allowed to touch anything but the walls and water, so eletricity going through them has to pass through the water... the end plates are connected to the output of strong whitenoise generator....

this is so we hit the resonant frequency, the water contains a one of a few chemicals (which i cant remember right now) but they are sopposed to help the water resonante, when that happens they will release more ammounts of 2 H2 and O2, (to be "happy" the atoms need a buddy)

now the box itself is connected to two diffrent things, through some kind of toroid, this part i dont quite understand fully, but from what i can tell it gives the box the whitenoise and 12 volts, this does 2 things, the whitenoise is for resonance only, and the 12 volts is to supply eletrons for normal dc eletrolisys, the later is commonly used today to slowly get hydrogen (its also severly expensive!)

This isnt somthing ive seen work, nor have i built before, i have a few parts however i found the plans online and became intrested in it, i talked to the person who posted them, then to sombody else, yada yada i ended up talking to a reclusive guy who says he discoverd this, but his shop got robbed frequently after he discoverd it.

now im not saying hes right, im not saying hes wrong, i simply want to find out without wasting too much money, there are several uses for the system if it works like he said (like running a car engine, which is a bit premature but if it works its possible) but i first need to know if it works, and find out all the variables yaknow?

Im not driving a speaker, from what i understand the toroid is there for 2 reasons, now please take this from sombody who knows nothing of your field, and try to get through my mindless babbel, the toroid connects the amp, the battery, and the box, it i guess lets the 12 volts go through and forces it to have whitenoise in it? or somthing like that, all i know is i need ATLEAST 100 Watt's MIN, and idealy 1000 Watts, however as this can possible do damage to it, I wont use my friends amp. so i need a cheap solution, and i dont think its coverd under anywarrenty, not like i can afford a $100 store bought amp anways,

and if your question still applies, i misunderstood and im sorry, can you rephrase it?
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Old 24th August 2004, 12:15 PM   #6
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Sigh...

This is one of those over-unity scams all over again. Tell me this guy's website so I can submit it to crank.net...

You cannot break the laws of physics, try as you may. You cannot get any more energy out of combusting the H2 and O2 that you get out of the water than you put in to dissasociate the water. You are converting from electricity to chemical to heat to work. That has a lot of losses, especially from the last step, and it's more efficient to just do electricity to work -- electric motors.

There have been dozens of these electrolysis schemes, among the thousands of other free energy scams. People never learn. I guess we can blame the state of science education in North America. They ought to teach critical thinking in high schools.
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Old 24th August 2004, 12:20 PM   #7
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I dont care if its not sopposed to work, i want to try it anways, hence keeping it cheap!

I just want my questions answerd ok?
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Old 24th August 2004, 12:28 PM   #8
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I see you are from FL. That explains a lot. I spent four years there at USF in Tampa. The sun softened up my brain quite a bit too
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Old 24th August 2004, 12:32 PM   #9
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Because I'm from florida im going to defend it


::notice the silence yet?:::

and i want to do this because i feel it may work, and if it dosnt i can probibly use everything twords somthing else, i mean it will still be a cheap amp right?

the box wasnt too much, and besides sombody else paid for it

back to florida, notice my lack of grammer and spelling? its not for lack of trying (well sometimes capatalizing things IS my fault im just lazy) I personally hold florida, and pinellas county responsible for my lack of literary skills.....

(ohh and BTW: i like your signature!)
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Old 24th August 2004, 12:49 PM   #10
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I was just joking about FL. My comment was a result of my dislike of the weather, not the people (in fact my brother lives there, though in Hillsborough, which may be better than Pinellas...).

If quality is not important, then a high powered amp is available for $150 here:
http://lanzar.com/citempage.asp?model=RBVPRO2500
It's a car amp, and I doubt the 1600 W is continuous -- it's probably peak, but that's still a lot. A couple of car batteries or an efficient switching supply should be good to power it.
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