Rockford BD1500

seankane · 15th March 2012, 03:57 AM

Have a BD1500 in for repair. The amp does not power up. Nothing looks obvious, none of the outputs or power supply fets seem shorted.

The amp is sending no gate voltage to the power supply fets and it is not producing any rail voltage.

Niether the power led or the protect led light up.

The SG3526N reads as follows:

pin 1: 1.919
pin 2: 0.002
pin 3: 4.98
pin 4: 0.003
pin 5: 13.23
pin 6: 0.003
pin 7: 0.003
pin 8: 13.23
pin 9: 5.01
pin10: 5.01
pin11: 0.000
pin12: 4.24
pin13: 4.68
pin14: 4.99
pin15: 0.000
pin16: 0.000
pin17: 0.008
pin18: 3.703

I believe pins 13 and 16 are my output why the low voltage on 13 and no output on 16?

I have not removed the board yet to see if there is a burned trace underneath just doing some trouble shooting first.

Perry Babin · 15th March 2012, 05:33 AM

Confirm that you have 12v on both ends of D14. That feeds pin 17 which is the supply pin for the internal logic circuits for the IC.

seankane · 15th March 2012, 06:32 AM

I have proper voltage at either end of D14.

Perry Babin · 15th March 2012, 06:55 AM

Confirm that you have a good connection between the cathode of D14 and pin 17 of the 3526.

seankane · 18th March 2012, 06:16 PM

I have to remove some of the stripped screws today before I can get the board out. Someone stripped out 4 6/32 screws that clamp the MESHA down.

I will see if there is a break in the connection.

seankane · 18th March 2012, 08:21 PM

You will have to excuse me Perry I have once again for the second time read my readings backwards on the IC. The Sg3526N reads as follows.

pin 1: 5.01
pin 2: 0.000
pin 3: 4.24
pin 4: 4.68
pin 5: 4.99
pin 6: 0.001
pin 7: 0.001
pin 8: 0.008
pin 9: 3.702
pin10: 1.918
pin11: 0.003
pin12: 4.97
pin13: 0.004
pin14: 13.24
pin15: 0.001
pin:16 0.003
pin17: 13.25
pin18: 5.01

No output on pins 13 and 16. The amp after leaving power hooked up randomly turns on and off for a few seconds when ever it feels like it.

It did this twice then Q2 went up in smoke and full short to my power supply. I clipped Q2 out of the circuit and re-powered the amp.

Did the same thing randomly turning on and off when ever it felt like it but removing Q2 got rid of the short and all the other power supply fets test fine.

What could be causing this!!!!!

Perry Babin · 18th March 2012, 11:02 PM

Post the voltage on the LM339.

seankane · 18th March 2012, 11:32 PM

LM339

pin 1: 0.008
pin 2: 0.008
pin 3: 13.24
pin 4: 2.026
pin 5: 1.236
pin 6: 4.37
pin 7: 5.01
pin 8: 0.232
pin 9: 0.230
pin10: 5.01
pin11: 8.26
pin12: 0.000
pin13: 0.008
pin14: 0.001

Perry Babin · 19th March 2012, 06:41 AM

Lift D20 and D21, one at a time to see if either allows the amp to power up.

seankane · 20th March 2012, 02:53 AM

I lifted D20 and tried to power up amp with no luck.

Leaving D20 out of the circuit I removed D21 and powered the amp and it powered up fine with the exception of a whiney transformer which could have something to do with one of the power supply fets out of the circuit.

With these results what do you think? What is the purpose of D20 and D21?

15th March 2012, 03:57 AM	#1
seankane diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington State	Rockford BD1500 Have a BD1500 in for repair. The amp does not power up. Nothing looks obvious, none of the outputs or power supply fets seem shorted. The amp is sending no gate voltage to the power supply fets and it is not producing any rail voltage. Niether the power led or the protect led light up. The SG3526N reads as follows: pin 1: 1.919 pin 2: 0.002 pin 3: 4.98 pin 4: 0.003 pin 5: 13.23 pin 6: 0.003 pin 7: 0.003 pin 8: 13.23 pin 9: 5.01 pin10: 5.01 pin11: 0.000 pin12: 4.24 pin13: 4.68 pin14: 4.99 pin15: 0.000 pin16: 0.000 pin17: 0.008 pin18: 3.703 I believe pins 13 and 16 are my output why the low voltage on 13 and no output on 16? I have not removed the board yet to see if there is a burned trace underneath just doing some trouble shooting first. __________________ Pyramid 52 Amp Power Supply----Fluke 787 Processmeter----Tektronix 465 Scope----Velleman HPS40 Scope----Soldering Iron----Desoldering Iron----Hejet HJ 500-S Heatgun----DM4070 Digital LCR Meter----Propane Torch

15th March 2012, 05:33 AM	#2
Perry Babin diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Louisiana	Confirm that you have 12v on both ends of D14. That feeds pin 17 which is the supply pin for the internal logic circuits for the IC. __________________ Links >> Basic Car Audio Amp Repair * Basic Car Audio Electronics * New Site * Basic Switching Power Supply Design * Basic Computer Skills << Links

15th March 2012, 06:32 AM	#3
seankane diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington State	I have proper voltage at either end of D14. __________________ Pyramid 52 Amp Power Supply----Fluke 787 Processmeter----Tektronix 465 Scope----Velleman HPS40 Scope----Soldering Iron----Desoldering Iron----Hejet HJ 500-S Heatgun----DM4070 Digital LCR Meter----Propane Torch

15th March 2012, 06:55 AM	#4
Perry Babin diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Louisiana	Confirm that you have a good connection between the cathode of D14 and pin 17 of the 3526. __________________ Links >> Basic Car Audio Amp Repair * Basic Car Audio Electronics * New Site * Basic Switching Power Supply Design * Basic Computer Skills << Links

18th March 2012, 06:16 PM	#5
seankane diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington State	I have to remove some of the stripped screws today before I can get the board out. Someone stripped out 4 6/32 screws that clamp the MESHA down. I will see if there is a break in the connection. __________________ Pyramid 52 Amp Power Supply----Fluke 787 Processmeter----Tektronix 465 Scope----Velleman HPS40 Scope----Soldering Iron----Desoldering Iron----Hejet HJ 500-S Heatgun----DM4070 Digital LCR Meter----Propane Torch


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18th March 2012, 08:21 PM	#6
seankane diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington State	You will have to excuse me Perry I have once again for the second time read my readings backwards on the IC. The Sg3526N reads as follows. pin 1: 5.01 pin 2: 0.000 pin 3: 4.24 pin 4: 4.68 pin 5: 4.99 pin 6: 0.001 pin 7: 0.001 pin 8: 0.008 pin 9: 3.702 pin10: 1.918 pin11: 0.003 pin12: 4.97 pin13: 0.004 pin14: 13.24 pin15: 0.001 pin:16 0.003 pin17: 13.25 pin18: 5.01 No output on pins 13 and 16. The amp after leaving power hooked up randomly turns on and off for a few seconds when ever it feels like it. It did this twice then Q2 went up in smoke and full short to my power supply. I clipped Q2 out of the circuit and re-powered the amp. Did the same thing randomly turning on and off when ever it felt like it but removing Q2 got rid of the short and all the other power supply fets test fine. What could be causing this!!!!! __________________ Pyramid 52 Amp Power Supply----Fluke 787 Processmeter----Tektronix 465 Scope----Velleman HPS40 Scope----Soldering Iron----Desoldering Iron----Hejet HJ 500-S Heatgun----DM4070 Digital LCR Meter----Propane Torch

18th March 2012, 11:02 PM	#7
Perry Babin diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Louisiana	Post the voltage on the LM339. __________________ Links >> Basic Car Audio Amp Repair * Basic Car Audio Electronics * New Site * Basic Switching Power Supply Design * Basic Computer Skills << Links

18th March 2012, 11:32 PM	#8
seankane diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington State	LM339 pin 1: 0.008 pin 2: 0.008 pin 3: 13.24 pin 4: 2.026 pin 5: 1.236 pin 6: 4.37 pin 7: 5.01 pin 8: 0.232 pin 9: 0.230 pin10: 5.01 pin11: 8.26 pin12: 0.000 pin13: 0.008 pin14: 0.001 __________________ Pyramid 52 Amp Power Supply----Fluke 787 Processmeter----Tektronix 465 Scope----Velleman HPS40 Scope----Soldering Iron----Desoldering Iron----Hejet HJ 500-S Heatgun----DM4070 Digital LCR Meter----Propane Torch

19th March 2012, 06:41 AM	#9
Perry Babin diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Louisiana	Lift D20 and D21, one at a time to see if either allows the amp to power up. __________________ Links >> Basic Car Audio Amp Repair * Basic Car Audio Electronics * New Site * Basic Switching Power Supply Design * Basic Computer Skills << Links

20th March 2012, 02:53 AM	#10
seankane diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington State	I lifted D20 and tried to power up amp with no luck. Leaving D20 out of the circuit I removed D21 and powered the amp and it powered up fine with the exception of a whiney transformer which could have something to do with one of the power supply fets out of the circuit. With these results what do you think? What is the purpose of D20 and D21? __________________ Pyramid 52 Amp Power Supply----Fluke 787 Processmeter----Tektronix 465 Scope----Velleman HPS40 Scope----Soldering Iron----Desoldering Iron----Hejet HJ 500-S Heatgun----DM4070 Digital LCR Meter----Propane Torch

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