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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Illinois
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I have this amp opened up troubleshooting distorted output on both channels.
When I drive a 1KHz sine wave into to it unloaded the outputs look good. When I load it down with an 8 Ohm resistor the outputs look good also. When I drive full range speakers of ~5 Ohms it looks like the negative portion of the sine wave is the source of the distortion. The distortion is much worse when lower frequencies are used (like 20Hz) and worse yet when bridged (probably just because it is louder). The voltage level of input signal seems to also have an impact, the higher it is the better it seems to be. I have checked the outputs (2SB778) and drivers (2SB647) out of circuit and they appear fine. I have checked most of the components (in circuit) around them nothing stands out. Lightening the load by putting resistors in series with the speakers improves the sound quality. First picture is 500Hz tone, second is the same 500Hz with the amp's gain increased (source remained constant). These were taken with the scope probes accross the speaker terminals driving a 4 Ohm speaker (not bridged). There is probably higher than normal DC on the speaker terminals at ~23.5mV, but its not adjustable and seemed resonable for an amplifier at this price point. What am I missing?
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Louisiana
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Check the emitter resistors to see if they're within tolerance.
If they're OK, confirm that the voltage on the emitter legs of the outputs remains the same for both channels when the channels are loaded with the same load (one channel at a time). Can you consistently re-create this sequence of waveforms by changing the gain. Do you get the same thing if you vary the input signal from the signal source (gain constant)?
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Illinois
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Emitter resistors apear to be OK.
All emitter legs remain with in ~.5mVAC of each other when using a four Ohm speaker as the load. Yes, I can consistantly re-create the waveforms by gain adjustment and by adjusting the signal source.
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Louisiana
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Look at the signal on the base legs of the outputs. Does it collapse/clip like the emitter?
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Here is what it looks like on the base.
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Louisiana
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I think the PNP output transistor may be defective if this was taken on the base leg of the output transistor and the signal on the emitter was clipped.
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Illinois
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Earlier I checked the 2SB778's and 2SB647's and they passed diode check. Tonight I checked the 2SD998's and 2SB667's and they passed diode check. My meter displays the diode symbol and the breakdown voltage as well as which test lead is on the anode and cathode. It also displays other symbols if it is damaged, leaking, open, or shorted.
Is it possible that they are defective and still pass diode check?
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Louisiana
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It could be that the gain is very low and the meter isn't detecting it.
Swap it with the same part in another channel to see if the fault follows the transistor.
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Problem is in both channels.
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Louisiana
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Do you have a clean signal on both ends of R101 and R201?
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