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Join Date: Oct 2010
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I cant get this amp to power up properly. Amp produces only +-1.8vDC rail. The TL494 has voltages as follows:
TL494 Pin 1: 0.456 Pin 2: 5.03 Pin 3: 4.69 Pin 4: 0.037 Pin 5: 1.508 Pin 6: 3.451 Pin 7: 0.005 Pin 8: 8.66 Pin 9: 0.023 Pin 10: 0.023 Pin 11: 8.67 Pin 12: 13.65 Pin 13/14/15: 5.03 Pin 16: 5.05 Q1 has 13.65vDC on all three legs |
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Louisiana
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The IC appears to be working correctly. Pin 16 being higher than pin 15 is causing the problem. I don't have any information on this amp (not even photos) so you'll have to trace it back to see what's driving it high. If you can't figure it out, post a high resolution image of the area around the 494.
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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Hmm.. Tracing through some things, there are quite a few directions pin 16 takes. I found another thread on this amp that had an opposite problem where the amp would not turn off due to a bad Q2, 2n4401 transistor: kicker zx100.2
Q2 Leg 1: 0.005 Leg 2: 0.614 Leg 3: 0.050 The thing is though, when I remove REM the amp turns off correctly. In this photo, 494's pin 16 goes to R63 and R29. ![]() And this photo pin 16 is directly in the middle of the picture.
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Louisiana
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Post the DC voltage on the 4558.
Pin 1: Pin 2: Pin 3: Pin 4: Pin 5: Pin 6: Pin 7: Pin 8:
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4558
Pin 1: 1.481 Pin 2: 5.04 Pin 3: 0.804 Pin 4: 0.003 Pin 5: 3.743 Pin 6: 7.29 Pin 7: 1.434 Pin 8: 8.31 |
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Louisiana
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OK, it doesn't appear to be driven by that op-amp. What if you pull the TO-92 transistor near the standing resistor (assuming it's also connected to R29)? Be careful, it may draw excessive current.
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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Thats a 2N4403 at Q15 and its connected to R63 (Just next to R29) which is also comming off of 494's pin 16. Off the board the 2N4403 checked out OK.
With Q15 removed, the amp powers up but I'm affraid the power supply fets IRFZ46N w/ 100ohm gates get slightly warm to the touch after about 10 seconds. The gate waveform is a little low measuring a ~+7v square wave. The waveform on Legs 1&3 of the rectifiers is an Un-Regulated +-20v square wave. The rail voltage is +-20vDC. The opamps are getting +-15vDC. With Q15 removed, the 494 measures as follows: TL494 Pin 1: 5.03 Pin 2: 5.03 Pin 3: 1.924 Pin 4: 3v but then drops to 0v Pin 5: 1.497 Pin 6: 3.424 Pin 7: 0 Pin 8: 8.56 Pin 9: 2.3 Pin 10: 2.3 Pin 11: 8.47 Pin 12: 13.65 Pin 13/14/15: 5.03 Pin 16: 2.204 |
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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The amp is able to produce clean audio on both channels
The power LED is RED indicating amp is still operating in protection. A green LED works with the fluke 10 meter. Last edited by Dr Zeus; 28th April 2011 at 01:08 AM. |
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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Tracing around Q15, I find it strange that legs 1&2 are connected together through R39 (20k) and R61 (1k) in series while leg 2 is also connected to R62 and JR2. Q7 which is a 2N4401 may be suspect as its connected to JR2 but it is measuring just fine on the pcb.
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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Just found something wierd. it looks like a manufactoring defect where this 25v 2200uf cap was not connected to the PCB by more than a big glob of glue. The legs we not even going through the PCB.
Last edited by Dr Zeus; 28th April 2011 at 01:43 AM. |
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