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Old 28th April 2012, 10:28 PM   #71
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It depends on how badly they're damaged and where they are. Small strands of wire will work where the traces are not under the components.

The ICs are op-amps.
I heard there are brand new cards for these amps. This seller on Ebay has the driver boards for the right and left channels and the PWM driver, but I cannot find the board for the preamp input section, which is where I am having the problems. Do you have any idea where I can get a (ideally new or new-old stock) preamp board?

Here's the seller: Rockford Fosgate DSM Driver Board Package!!!! | eBay

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Old 29th April 2012, 02:48 AM   #72
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Did you contact the seller to see if he had the boards that you need?
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Old 29th April 2012, 03:08 AM   #73
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Did you contact the seller to see if he had the boards that you need?
Yes. His reply when I inquired on the preamp board is as follows:

I have a few local companies looking them over but its hard to find someone to make them as needed. They want you to commit to buying like 1000 or so. Dont have that kinda money. Although if I can find someone to make a couple hundred I could corner the market and make some cash. I will keep in touch. I have found a few used boards that need repaired but they have trace damage. I might just repair one and send it to you and let you try it. I am pretty good at repairing them.

This was a while ago and I haven't heard from him since, even though he still has the other boards up for auction. This might be an awesome place for even you to look into if you repair these amps. I'm still waiting on updates.

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Old 29th April 2012, 03:27 AM   #74
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I don't think I've ever seen one of the fiberglass boards that couldn't be repaired. The ceramic boards are a bit more difficult to repair but there isn't enough demand to justify the cost of producing identical boards. You could make replacement boards for the ceramic boards out of fiberglass but again, it probably wouldn't be profitable.
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Old 29th April 2012, 03:52 AM   #75
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I don't think I've ever seen one of the fiberglass boards that couldn't be repaired. The ceramic boards are a bit more difficult to repair but there isn't enough demand to justify the cost of producing identical boards. You could make replacement boards for the ceramic boards out of fiberglass but again, it probably wouldn't be profitable.
That would be nice if one could get a pcb scan (as well as a parts list of the components) that can be printed on a laser (toner) printer and make a replacement on the cheap the Thomas Gootee way where you print out the layout on a piece of cheap photopaper (like the cheap Kodak Wal-Mart has), use an iron to stick the plastic toner on the paper to a copper blank, soak the paper off the board with water so the toner is left behind, use one part muriatic acid and two parts peroxide to etch the board, and make one at home. The parts might cost too much to make that worthwhile, though.

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Old 29th April 2012, 04:00 AM   #76
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Ferric Chloride and Ammonium Persulfate are probably safer for most users.

You can get the schematic diagram from Rockford. You can download and use the free version of Eagle (layout editor).

I've used the toner method but it's difficult to get good quality without a lot of trial and error.

The presensitized/photo etch boards make better quality boards but with an increased initial cost.

My preference is a boardhouse that takes small quantity orders. I prefer PCBFabExpress. In small quantities, expect each board to cost $25. At higher quantities, the price per board may be as low as $6. But even after you have the board, you have to assemble them. For that, through-hole parts are easier to handle and solder. You can use solder paste for SMD components but that takes a bit of practice as well to do well.
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Old 29th April 2012, 04:07 AM   #77
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Ferric Chloride and Ammonium Persulfate are probably safer for most users.

You can get the schematic diagram from Rockford. You can download and use the free version of Eagle (layout editor).

I've used the toner method but it's difficult to get good quality without a lot of trial and error.

The presensitized/photo etch boards make better quality boards but with an increased initial cost.

My preference is a boardhouse that takes small quantity orders. I prefer PCBFabExpress. In small quantities, expect each board to cost $25. At higher quantities, the price per board may be as low as $6. But even after you have the board, you have to assemble them. For that, through-hole parts are easier to handle and solder. You can use solder paste for SMD components but that takes a bit of practice as well to do well.
Aww, I see. You would have to get two printouts, one for each side and then line them up as this is a double sided board, which would be pretty hard to to without through holes. I have made an amplifier from scratch using a TDA-7384 IC that worked well with this method, but that was through hole and a one sided board. Just a thought, though.

I still have that schematic you emailed me a while back for that amp.

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Old 29th April 2012, 10:54 PM   #78
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I've got some good news. I was finally able to remove the defective card from the main board using an exacto knife and a soldering iron to gently remove enough solder to wiggle it free, and finally remove the 6 silver 10uf caps by gently rocking each one back and forth to break the solder joint. Thank my lucky stars I didn't break ANY of the solder traces under the caps. It turns out that the damage to the traces wasn't as severe as I saw first glance. A LOT of yellow crud electrolyte did leak out (all caps leaked) and the worst damage was noted on one trace coming from the op-amp in the left in the picture as marked using GIMP. There is a good possibility I might be able to remove the electrolyte a little easier being now the caps aren't in the way and causing problems, and solder new caps in (as the traces are pretty much all intact). I have attached a picture of my work that shows where the worst electrolyte corrosion took place, marked by the red lines.

One quick question: is it possible for someone to soak the card in alcohol or other similar solvent for awhile to completely dissolve and remove the electrolyte from the board (including any that has soaked into the board) in order to help get into ALL of those nooks and crannies, or would that ruin the board or any components? I am asking because the electrolyte conducts electricity and could very well be causing the problems too, and a q-tip just doesn't get into those tight places as well.
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Old 30th April 2012, 04:59 AM   #79
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You need to scrub the traces to remove as much as possible. Alcohol may work but acetone is much more effective. If the legs on the ICs have turned dark gray, you need to remove them to clean under them. I'd recommend replacing them.
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