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Old 26th January 2011, 08:01 PM   #1
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Default MA HC4002, powers up but audio is distorted

So I put this thing back together and tested it's audio output but it seems 1 channel is very distorted.

I drive a square wave through it and at low level it looks fine but as you increase the volume it turns into a sawtooth wave form as the top of the wave squeezes together until it is just a point. I found this on the emitters of the distorted channel and it is also present on the drive resistors.

Where should I look first?
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Old 26th January 2011, 08:05 PM   #2
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Most amps have trouble reproducing square waves due to capacitive coupling in the circuit path and a limited slew rate. What does it do with a sine wave?
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Old 26th January 2011, 08:37 PM   #3
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Honestly, I don't have a generator to produce a sin wave.

The other channel handles it perfectly.

Here's a pic from your tutorial, the driver sections aren't exactly the same but they are very similar.

The yellow arrows indicate where I see it turn to sawtooth and the green arrows are where it is a clean square.

Does that help much?
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Old 26th January 2011, 08:39 PM   #4
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Sorry, the pic didn't upload the first time.
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Old 26th January 2011, 09:41 PM   #5
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If you have the tutorial, navigate to the following file and confirm that it's the same as the one you have there. The QA/QB will be different but confirm that the values of the other components' designations match.
/repair_tutorial/miscellaneousstuff/audiobahn/unknownaudiobahn01.swf

If you have the tutorial, you have a test tone CD with sine waves.
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Old 26th January 2011, 10:08 PM   #6
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I have the test tones but do not have a CD player in my work area, my computer is in the living room so I can't use it either. I will buy a little cheapy cd player/alarm if I can't resolve this otherwise.

I will check the values tomorrow, I'm not at home at the moment. Thanks a bunch, though.
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Old 26th January 2011, 10:45 PM   #7
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I can tell you right now it uses A1268/C3200. Not 1266/3198 like in the schematic.

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Old 26th January 2011, 11:23 PM   #8
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Woops, haha, you said those might be different.
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Old 28th January 2011, 02:30 PM   #9
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Ok, the way q2 q3 q4 and q5 are tied together is the same but, for example, RA44 on the schematic shows a .1/5w, in this amp RA44 is tied driving the base of an output transistor.

It also seems that some of the parts shown in the schem. aren't in the amp and vice versa. The bulk of the scematic is very similar, though.
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Old 28th January 2011, 02:40 PM   #10
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Here is what I see when the oscope probes are on the arrows shown in the first picture. With the gain all the way down the waveforms are identical, when you start to turn it up they start to distort in this manner. Only one channel does this, the other works perfectly.
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