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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Illinois
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I have been reading the forums here to see if I can resolve my problem with out assistance, but I have to ask for some professional help.
When I got this amp I started by checking for shorted FETS, rectifiers, outputs, drivers and pre-drivers since a prior posting for this very model seemed to point that direction. What I found was one pair of TIP35C & TIP36C shorted on one channel. Once I found those I pulled the drivers, pre-drivers, and emmitter resistors for the blown channel off the board to check them out of the circuit but found them all to be ok. I remounted the components I removed and installed a new pair of outputs. I checked for continuity from the center of the coils to the input shields and to the non-bridging outputs and that is good. With nothing else glaring I powered it up with 5 amp fuse and a 3ohm resistor in-line with the B+. This amp has DC on the outputs measured without signal cables & speakers attached as follows RR -25.280VDC LR 25.320VDC LF -25.280VDC RF 25.320VDC It draws almost 2 amps at start up but settles down to 1.012A. I noticed that the power LED starts off bright like its good to go, but dims after it settles down to the 1A draw but it is not blowing fuses. This amp does not have a diagnostic set of LEDs unless the dimming of the one is just that. I tested for audio output using an 8 ohm resistor in parallel with an 8 ohm speaker. The LR & RR have a very tiny audible signal that you have to put your ear up to the speaker to hear with the gain at maximum sensitivty and the volume all the way up on the source. The RF & LF have nothing. I fear that there is something wrong with the surface mounted components on this one. This amp uses the 318D but I don't know what the expected signals should be on each pin. Sorry for the long post, I am new here. Rich |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Louisiana
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How much current does it draw with the 8 ohm resistor connected?
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Illinois
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If I understand your question correctly;
With one 8 ohm resistor accross the Left Rear outputs its beginning current draw was 1.7xxA and climbed to 2.110A and held steady there. Also as a note the LED did NOT dim this time. For curriosity I placed another 8 ohm resistor accross the Right Front outputs also and it caused no change to the above measurements. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Louisiana
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I think there may be an error somewhere. If you have 25+v across the speaker terminals of any channel, the current draw would be significantly more than 2 amps. Measure the DC voltage directly across the speaker terminals for each channel.
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Illinois
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Thats a good point. The ~25V was across the speaker terminals no load. Measuring it across the installed 8 Ohm resistors it is ~5VDC and then ~15V on the other no load terminals.
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Louisiana
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Is the voltage across the B+ and ground terminals dropping significantly?
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Illinois
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Yes it is.
With the 3 ohm resistor still inline I have 14VDC at the power terminals. Without the 8 ohm resistors on the speaker terminals it drops to ~11V when turned on. With the 8 ohm resistors on the speaker terminals, it drops to ~7V when turned on. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Louisiana
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Do you have both positive AND negative voltage on the power supply terminals of all of the op-amps in the amp?
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Illinois
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No, removing the 8 ohm resistors from the output terminals I measured the following between the non-bridging speaker terminals and pins #4 & #7:
Right Rear 318D Pin #7 +12.20V Pin #4 +.855V Left Rear 318D Pin #7 +12.25V Pin #4 +.854V Right Front 318D Pin #7 -7.10V Pin #4 -13.82V Left Front 318D Pin #7 -7.08 Pin #4 -13.80 |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Louisiana
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Do you get the same readings if you place the black probe on one of the non-bridging speaker terminals?
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