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Join Date: Jun 2002
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I got one of these crazy things. it is totally dead. it had bad FETs in the power supply. i replaced those. amplifier is still dead.
Did some quick tests, i noticed that pin16 of the 494 was up around 8volts? i cant remember exactly. but pin15 was at 5v. so i knew there was an issue right there. I temporarily shorted those 2 connections with a meter probe, and the amplifier came on, green LED. and it appeared to work fine. let off the short, amplifier goes back out. checked drivers and stuff for leaks and shorts. appears ok. I found a transistor that is in the pin16 circuit that was shorted beforehand. replaced it. it was a KTA1266 i think. Anyway, the plot thickens more confusingly. If i hook the speakers up in bridged mode, amplifier will power on if i short pin16 and 15 again, however it stays on. but NO power LED or protect LED is lit, but the amplifier is playing. I can remove the short and it still plays. and i have about 5V at pin16 while playing. But it doesnt sound as good, distortion a slight bit, plus one side of the amp on the power supply FETs get hot. soon as i remove the speaker connection while amp is playing, it goes out. if i reconnect speaker, its dead again until i make that short. then itll power back on with no green LED and play again. If i hook the speaker to just the left or just the right, the amp works if i make the short, WITH a green LED. and goes out when i remove the short. If i hook both speakers up to left and right, its a 50 50 shot. sometimes if i make the short, it will power on with green LED and the amplifier hits very hard. works fine appears to anyway... but other times itll power on with no green LED and stay on, even if i remove short. but the amplifier doesnt sound near as strong, and clips alot sooner at lower volume, only while it is in this certain condition. if i can power the amp on when the gren LED comes on, everything works as normal. but for some reason the amp goes in this weird state. Any ideas? i am confused with this one. why is it doing this? Last edited by mbates14; 20th February 2010 at 09:16 PM. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Louisiana
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Are you sure you have the pin numbers correct (see attached).
Post the voltage on all 16 pins of the 494. IC# Pin 1: Pin 2: Pin 3: Pin 4: Pin 5: Pin 6: Pin 7: Pin 8: Pin 9: Pin 10: Pin 11: Pin 12: Pin 13: Pin 14: Pin 15: Pin 16:
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yes i had the pins correct.
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ill have to go through them again, but the pin16 had roughly 8 to 9v on it. while pin15 had the 5V reference. if pin 15 and 16 are shorted together physically with my probe, amp will power on and work properly. good sound, hits hard, etc etc.....
until i remove the short. then it shuts back down. but depends on how im loading the outputs, if i hook 1 speaker up bridge 4ohm, the amp will kick on when i short the pins15 and 16 together, but it wont shut back off if i remove the short, but the amp doesnt work correctly either.... like i said its very odd... |
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Louisiana
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Can you post a photo of the inside of the amp?
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yea. when i get back to the shop tomorrow ill post a photo. its odd how its acting. im sure your just as confused as I am.
But like i said if i short out the inputs of the second error amplifier, the amp runs fine. until i bridge it, itll half-run. and one half the power supply starts to overheat. but both sides of FETs and driver xistors are tied together right at the TL494. also has 2 transformers in it. its almost like 1 side shuts down but the other side is going. its impossible though because they are both connected together at the same points on the same 494. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Louisiana
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It's likely a defect in the protection circuit causing it to shut down but I need to see the amp to know what I'm dealing with to tell you what to check next.
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Jun 2002
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yea. well ill get all that stuffs tomorrow.
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Jun 2002
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Just found out that PPI makes this amp. hehe. its also a Class AB amp. I shot epsilon electronics an email for a schematic, hopefully it doesnt fall on deaf ears.
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Louisiana
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I don't think PPI makes anything. All of the Epsilon amps are likely made by the lowest bidder in Asia.
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