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djQUAN 30th April 2008 04:46 PM

Kicker ZX1000.1 repair
 
I bought this ZX1000.1 amp broken for about $100 (I know, not the best of deals but there's something to practice on. :) )

so the story of the previous owner is that he is using it and it just stopped playing then it let out the magic smoke. after that, it still powers up but there's no sound.

pictures are in here.

so for the limited time to check the amp, here's what I have found out:

-output inductor is cooked to a crisp. I assume the windings scraped and shorted to each other.

-PS fets are all toast. I'm assuming the output inductor caused this failure?

-main PS fet gate drives all still work so I guess that is good news.

-aux PS still runs nicely.. again, more good news.

-speaker relay clicks and timing is as it should be.. some more good news.

-output fets aren't shorted from G-S terminals.. I'm hoping they're all good so this is good news?

**after cleaning and removing the burned FR4 areas, I'm left with a big gaping hole in one of the FET positions. I was thinking of leaving this hole and mounting the FET sort of point to point. is this a good idea?

**the output inductor is severely burned. I was thinking the core is toast so I want to replace it with an MPP core that I ordered. (same size T-130) anyone know the inductance value of this coil?

**before I spend on IRF3205's, I was thinking of installing IRFZ44's to test run the amp and see if the class D modulator works. is it safe to run this amp without the heatsink?

djQUAN 30th April 2008 07:31 PM

anyone? can't move forward on this if I can't make a new output inductor. :(

Perry Babin 30th April 2008 07:51 PM

The inductor is probably ~50uH but that's a guess.

Do you have an inductance meter?

If not, can you borrow one?

If you have access to one and the inductor is shorted, unwind it (count the number of turns). Re-wrap it with 3-4 turns and measure the value. Do the same with your MPP core. If they both have essentially the same value with 3-4 turns, re-wrap the MPP core with the same number of turns as the original. If they have significantly different values, the easiest option would be to re-wrap the original core with the original number of turns (not necessarily the same number of strands - a single strand will suffice) and measure the value. Then wrap the MPP core with whatever number or turns you need to get to the correct value.

I'd recheck the outputs, they're likely shorted. Check all of them individually. Check from gate to drain as well as from drain to source.

You can go point to point but I'd suggest using tinned/filled desoldering braid instead of wire.

Monitor the temperature of the semiconductors when you power it up out of the sink. If they don't run too hot, it's safe (but you need to continuously monitor their temperature).

djQUAN 30th April 2008 08:17 PM

thanks for the reply. :)

yup, I do have an inductance meter. as of now, the MPP cores haven't arrived yet so all I could do is probably rewind the core and use it temporary for testing.

I just did a quick test with the output fets still on board. the meter on continuity test and all combinations (G-S, G-D, D-S, and repeating with reversed probes) did not indicate any short. I might try removing them from the board tomorrow and testing again if needed. all gate resistors are good.

fortunately, in the PS fet place with the big hole, the fet drain lead can still reach the drain pad connection and the source pad still intact. but the gate pad, gate resistor pad and all the FR4 around it is gone. might have to P2P that one.

I'm assuming the failure of the PS fets were because they were mixed. the fets have different batch codes and are mixed together in the two groups. there hasn't been any evidence of previous repairs so they are original.

djQUAN 1st May 2008 04:51 PM

I powered it up today using a temporary powdered iron toroid of 80uH about the same as the original which I rewound (still drying the varnish coating that I applied) and using only one pair of IRFZ44's on the primary.

I got a clean 76.9kHz square wave output right before the output inductor but the IRFZ44 fets are heating up when powered.

input current draw peaks at more than 5A (5A is the max on my PS ammeter) and stabilizes at 3A idle. I applied a sine at the input with no load at the output and I got a sine output as expected. I'm afraid of testing it with a load as the temporary PS fets might blow up.

edit:
there is 2Vpk-pk sine wave residual at output and the temporary inductor got a little hot (not unexpected as it is a low freq powder iron toroid)

Perry Babin 1st May 2008 10:52 PM

If you have a good, clean gate drive signal on the Z44s and the drive signal goes to ground between pulses, they're likely getting hot because only 2 are taking the entire load.

3A of current draw is higher than I'd expect to see. It may go down when you replace the inductor.

2vp-p is a little high but it may not be more than normal. Assuming that one speaker terminal goes to the secondary ground, connect the short scope ground (the one that connects to the probe) to the negative speaker terminal and measure the residual again. It will likely be much lower. Do this with a speaker/dummy load connected.

djQUAN 2nd May 2008 04:33 AM

I forgot to check the gate drive with the fets connected but they are clean when I checked them without any fets.

the residual is measured with the scope gnd connected to the ground bus bar which connects the speaker ground to the capacitor bank center tap.

if it is a little high, I think it might have something to do with the first 10uF NP cap right after the inductor which is part of the LPF. it might have been cooked since it was beside the inductor that got really hot.

also, I measured the residual right after the first inductor. there is still another inductor and capacitor (making a 4th order filter) right before the speaker relays then the output terminals.

will do some more measuring when I get the rewound core back into the amp.

djQUAN 2nd May 2008 05:53 AM

gate drive waveform is normal. except that it is around 10Vpk. voltage on the totem pole collectors are normal at gnd and 13.8V, input to the bases are 12Vpk (from the TL594)

the fets still get hot, the OEM output inductor also gets hot. input current draw is about 2.8A. I'm thinking this inductor is really meant to run hot. I rewound it with higher temp magnet wire but I'm still tempted to replace it with MPP to make it run cooler for reliability reasons...unfortunately, I misjudged the core size. OEM core is T154 and the MPP I have is T130. I might try a double stack core?

at startup, the gate drive is a little unusual. deadtime is constant, amplitude slowly ramps up from around 2V to 7V then as the speaker relay engages, it instantly goes to 10Vpk and stays there.

residual right before the speaker relay is 0.4Vpk-pk sine, that's without any load connected.

exorcista 14th May 2008 03:56 PM

help topic:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...hreadid=121989

djQUAN 14th May 2008 07:18 PM

I have a dilemma.....

I bought eight replacement fets and they look rather different from the IR fets I currently see. probably an old stock? I got them for about $2 each.

there are two batch codes. three and five of each so I guess a proper paralleling with same batch codes ain't gonna happen here. :xeye: I should have bought ten. :smash:

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/CIMG6540.jpg


I assumed the PS failed due to different fet batch codes.... I looked more closely and saw that the original fet prints looked different from each other but the date code is the same. how could that be?

here's a picture of the old fets along with the new ones I bought....

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/CIMG6541.jpg

what am I gonna do now? :whazzat:


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