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Old 16th April 2008, 04:56 AM   #1
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Default MTX Thunder 6500D burnt

I got this amp blown from a friend that gave it to me. It has previous work (notibly resolding) and missing output fets (FET101- Fet104 are missing). The power supply seems to work but I have some burnt resistors that I have no idea what value they are and what the output fets should be. If anyone can help me with this it would be highly apperiated.

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Old 16th April 2008, 05:35 AM   #2
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140 and 142 = 475 ohms

139 = 221 ohms

132 = 1k

CAREFULLY check Q115, 1116, 118, 122, 121 and 125. Lift two legs to isolate them from the board when checking them. Sometimes one of the transistors operating in parallel with another transistor will fail and if you don't catch it, the amp will fail prematurely when the other parallel transistor fails.

With a high power lighted magnifying glass, carefully examine all of the resistors near the LM311.

Desolder and resolder the connections on all of the PZTA transistors that have been running hot.
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Old 16th April 2008, 05:51 AM   #3
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Thanks for the super quick reply Perry Babin.

R139 doesn't make sense to me, should that be a 220 ohm resistor, it's markings are 221?

I had already resoldered all PZTA transistors cause they looked hot.

Also found so far Q116 shorted (B-E), checking other asoon as I have some dinner (at 10:50 pm at night )
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Old 16th April 2008, 05:57 AM   #4
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2210 is what it should be. Most of the resistors are 1% tolerance and have 4 digits on them.
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Old 16th April 2008, 09:34 AM   #5
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Are the 475 ohm resistor (R140, R142) 1% or 5%?
I'm guessing the 1K (R132) is 1%, all the other 1K are 1% so it makes sense.

Just checking, are Q116, Q119 (Both say 2L) - MMBT5401's?

And what are the output mosfets (they were missing when I got the amp)?

Thanks a lot for your time and help Perry
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Old 16th April 2008, 03:55 PM   #6
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In general, all of the small resistors in this amp are 1% components. The 475 ohm parts should have been marked 4750.

Yes. MMBT5401. MMBT5401LT1G for the on-semi part.

The 6500Ds used SSP45N20A outputs. They are now obsolete. I've been using IRF3415s with no problems.
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Old 17th April 2008, 12:23 AM   #7
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OK, I've changed all the burnt resistors with new 1% ones. I have to order the MMBT5401LT1G and the IRF3415. Is there anything else I should check? Around the LM311?

Q115, 1116, 118, 122, 121 and 125 are all good, pulled them out of the board and checked them.

Thanks Dave.

Edit: P.S gate/source/drain resistors all test good.
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Old 17th April 2008, 12:36 AM   #8
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If the 0.22 ohm resistors survived, the components around the LM311 have probably survived.

After replacing all of the components, clamp the transistors to the heatsink before applying power.
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Old 18th April 2008, 03:32 AM   #9
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Can I fire this thing up with out the output fets and check it's waveforms? or can I sub some cheap IRF640 in it for basic testing? I'd rather not use the expensive fets for testing, even though I do have a current limited (10A) power supply?
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Old 18th April 2008, 03:37 AM   #10
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There will be no nigh frequency drive waveform on the outputs without the transistors in place.

These amps can be very sensitive to the outputs used. If the amp doesn't work properly with the 640s, it may not mean that there's a problem.

If you clamp the FETs to the sink, there's very little chance that you'll damage them with a 10 amp supply.
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