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here is the specs for the box from pioneer
 

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Functionally, it doesn't matter whether the ports are on top or bottom.

Practically, I'd put them on bottom to minimize the effects of port noises. Just be sure the area around them is clear so airflow won't be hindered.

BTW, round PVC ports are much easier to remove, trim and replace if you want to fool around with tuning.

Tim
 
bullfrog, a problem with this box is that it doesnt appear that you are able to place the subs across in a straight line, you have to stagger them so they fit right ?

if you think you can make them fit, run the port along the bottom...you may have to do a V indenture.

if you have problems fitting them, bandpass is looking like a good option...everything will fit easily, you could even put plexiglass on the top of the box and open the bed cover and show the subs.

heres a couple of pics:


An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
 
bulldogfreddy said:
box:
49 3/4 in width
19 in lentgh
19 in height

port:
6 3/4 in length
6 1/2 in width
1 1/4 in heigth

The noise I think might be coming from the ports.
Each sub is seperate to make they own box. The size of the is the outside sizes.


Clipped said:
how many ports do you have? 1 or 4?

if you are using 3/4" mdf , subtract 1.5" from all given dimensions you end up with internally:

w=48.25
L=17.5
h=17.5

=8.55 cuft / 4 = 2.13 cuft each .. seems ok, could be a tad bigger though, but shouldnt hurt much....your losing about -3db on the really low stuff though...

BUT your port is WAYYYYY too small....you want around 14"-16"square inches of port per cuft.....so if you go with 14" square inches, for a box volume of 8.55 cuft...youd need 119.7 sqin's and the port is going to have to be around 18"-22" long

no need to divide the chambers.

the port is going to take up some of the internal volume...

can you tell us the current placement of the subs? or better yet post a pic, so we can try to save the box? have to try and figure out where we can put a slot port.


So do you think I go with these sizes but I like clipped box a little better.
 
Clipped said:
how many ports do you have? 1 or 4?

if you are using 3/4" mdf , subtract 1.5" from all given dimensions you end up with internally:

w=48.25
L=17.5
h=17.5

=8.55 cuft / 4 = 2.13 cuft each .. seems ok, could be a tad bigger though, but shouldnt hurt much....your losing about -3db on the really low stuff though...

BUT your port is WAYYYYY too small....you want around 14"-16"square inches of port per cuft.....so if you go with 14" square inches, for a box volume of 8.55 cuft...youd need 119.7 sqin's and the port is going to have to be around 18"-22" long

no need to divide the chambers.

the port is going to take up some of the internal volume...

can you tell us the current placement of the subs? or better yet post a pic, so we can try to save the box? have to try and figure out where we can put a slot port.



With going this will have the box tune about 23hz if I have 8.55 cu ft and 119 square in port.
 
i dont have any experience with your subs in bandpass...so what i would do when i run into something im not sure of is...

make the two grey boards adjustable, and slide them back and forth until you find the sweet spot....also adjust the length of the port...make the port about 8"x8" wide.


for the middle part of the box:

the larger the volume, the more narrow the bandwidth...stronger peak at a given frequency.

the smaller the volume, the wider the bandwidth...you dont necessarily want a wide bandwidth.

id start off making the box 10cuft total... with each sealed chamber 2cuft, and the middle 6cuft... and go from there.

when you make the port, make a really long one...and cut them into 3-4 different sized lengths between 8"-16", that way you can just plug in different sizes...then fine tune it by cutting it down once you find the 'general' length.

the ported box will work good for sure, for the bandpass your going to have to experiment... but then again all the loudest people dont exactly use 'drop in' specs...

good luck!
 
bulldogfreddy said:




With going this will have the box tune about 23hz if I have 8.55 cu ft and 119 square in port.

the tuning frequency is determined by the port length, if you tune to 23 hz the port would have to be 51.34" long...much too long

tuned to 34 hz it would be 13.47" long
tuned to 37 hz it would be 8.5" long

id go with 32hz @ 17.59 " long , between 14"- 18" is usually the sweet spot, to short the sub will unload, too long the sub will overheat.

this is for a port with an opening of 48" x 2.47", support the port down the middle.
 
Clipped said:
bullfrog, a problem with this box is that it doesnt appear that you are able to place the subs across in a straight line, you have to stagger them so they fit right ?

if you think you can make them fit, run the port along the bottom...you may have to do a V indenture.

if you have problems fitting them, bandpass is looking like a good option...everything will fit easily, you could even put plexiglass on the top of the box and open the bed cover and show the subs.

heres a couple of pics:


An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.

With the ported design how space do you the the port and braces will take.

how will calculate the box space with the ported setup?

Will be from the front of the speaker or face from where the port is setting
 
you calculate the ports volume the same as you calculate the boxes volume.

then add it to the total box volume

to calculate the actual box volume, just start with the center tip of the v backwards....

dont worry about the space that is directly behind the port, the triangular area where the subs are mounted, will compensate close enough for that area....

actually im just to lazy to type everything out, if you take time and think...im sure you can figure it out....

just remember two triangles joined together will form a four sided object....which is close in resemblence to a square.


cuft = W x H x L / 1728........(1728 = 12"x12"x12")<<which equal scuft
 
if possible, make the board you put the subs on 2 layers...

when you cut the holes for the subs, take the circles that were cut out , and screw them to the top board from the inside.

also...experiment with the port lengths...you can extend my suggestion with an extension board, and join them by using a board overlayed on top of both pieces and screw them down.

if you have a sander/die grinder...smooth the edges wherever there would be airflowing over it...

remember this: a car turning a corner can turn much faster at a gradual angle than a sharp angle.

once you get the box done, i have a few tricks you may want to implement... ;)

and happy new year! ... im starting on my box soon too, so we will see who finishes first !!!:D
 
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