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RockysDad 23rd February 2007 06:07 PM

Vintage Pionner Turntable PL-50
Any comments on this particular TT? There is a used one in my area but couldn't find any info (maybe I not searching hard enough). Its a Pionner PL-50.

Can these TT use any type of cartridges? How good is the tone arm, base, motor? Any specs?

Attach is a ebay add...


Netlist 23rd February 2007 07:43 PM

Personaly, I don't know the PL-50.
You could have a look at


adason 24th February 2007 01:45 AM

i used to have few of those, just for fun, they performed well
powerfull motor, heavy platter
arm is realy nice /for the money/
it has automatic shut off, i recommend to disable that function
would not bid more than $25
would not instal cart more than $50
otherwise decent sound

Panicos K 24th February 2007 05:37 AM

I agree with adason,except the cartridge part.Buying the TT cheap will do good to your pocket,but spending a bit more on a nice cartridge will do good to your records.

adason 24th February 2007 11:03 AM

you are right Panicos K,
it makes sence to invest in good cart
but even a $50 Grado is decent performer

don't take me wrong, i know how important the cartridge is,
i am using benz micro and audiotechnica oc9, but it makes no sence to place any of those in cheap turntable

you would be surprised how well can some of those low priced grados sound if plugged into good phono preamp

in my opinion most of the phono preamps in regular receivers, even those cheap stand alone phono preamps just simply sucks

RocksyDad, get something like that pioneer, thats fine, get a grado, but built a good phono preamp, there is quite a few circulating around and you will enjoy LPs more than ever

Panicos K 24th February 2007 12:21 PM

I agree adason,even low cost cartridges have desent tips(that is actually the record ''savers''),and yes, Grado is a good choice.Still.I would go a bit higher up in price,just to get the best stylus tip for my budged.

RockysDad 25th February 2007 04:41 AM

Thanks for the tips, guys!

Sounds like this one is on the lower end of the spectrum or is it? Right now I have a lowend DD Dual CS620Q and want to upgrade a few notches up. I'm still learning what's out there but its hard to figure out what sounds better then what I have now without actually listening to everything. This Pioneer sure looks much beefier then the Dual so it must sound better, right?. But hey, if I can get it for $25 and get a decent cartrige to go with it, for the money, it has to be a step up? Is this a good assumption?

BTW, I do have a pretty good 6AW8 tube phono amp. Sounds very clean and I am quite happy with it.

Or should I keep looking? The next question is look for what? Too many choices....

Panicos K 25th February 2007 07:05 AM

The big diference between the Dual and Pioneer is the tonearm effective mass.Dual has a very low mass arm,so you will need a high compliance cartridge,while with the Pioneer a medium compliance one.

RockysDad 25th February 2007 10:47 PM


The big diference between the Dual and Pioneer is the tonearm effective mass.Dual has a very low mass arm,so you will need a high compliance cartridge,while with the Pioneer a medium compliance one.
Could you explain what a high compliance cartridge vs medium? I'm still trying to learn all of this TT lingo. I basiclly understand the different mass of each tone arm but don't understand the interactions between the two. Thanks...

FWIW, my Dual has a P-mount. This limits what I can use should I decide to keep it but this is one of the reasons I wanted to upgrade TT.

Panicos K 25th February 2007 11:21 PM

The cantilever holding the stylus is the only part of the cartridge that is moving(suspension).The stiffness of this suspension is it's compliance and it is measured in micrometers/milinewton.The total effective mass of arm,cartridge,screws and headshell,cause at the recommended tracking force,a resonance for this cantilever.This resonant frequency,ideally should be between 8 and 12 Hz.The higher the mass,the lower the resonant frequency,and vise versa.

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