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Old 9th January 2007, 11:09 PM   #1
Kip is offline Kip  United States
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Default TT on the cheap $300.00

I want to try a decent TT. I have a JVC QA-200 that I have used very little and purchased new about 15 or 20 years ago. I have seen Systemdek IIx and Thorens TD150 and TD160 models. There are new Rega P1s for $350.00.
I just purchased an Audio Mirror Pp1 preamp that has a good mm and mc phono stage.
I need suggestions in my price range as to what might be the best. I was very tempted to bid on the Systemdek on EBay, but what if I get stuck with a poor packaging job or a liar about the function i.e bad bearing or motor that can't be purchased any more.
I've read that a dc motor is better then ac. I don't know anything about TT or manufacturers new or old.
Please help.
I've asked this on Audiogon and the only suggestions were the TD150 and TD160. I've read that the TD125 is better when researching these models. I am so confused.
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Old 9th January 2007, 11:40 PM   #2
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Hi Kip,
As far as ebay is concerned you just have to trust to judgement and positive feedback. I've been fine so far on all my ebay purchases in the UK. Of course ebay isn't the only source of second hand turntables. I've had a lot of experience with Thorens decks and have owned and enjoyed the TD160 and 150, but my preferred cheap(ish) turntable is the Systemdek IIX, particularly the older version with the oil-feed bearing. The later ones are fine too. With a decent arm like the Rega RB300 or 250 the Systemdek sounds quite similar to more expensive decks like Linns and Roksans. The cheaper Regas have never impressed me the same way- the bass end never sounds really solid to me on Planar 2s and 3s. In fairness though I've not heard the latest versions that dispense with the wobbly motor mounting that I always suspected was the main source of the bass problem, so they may be better. If possible, avoid a leap of faith and try to listen to some different turntables and get a feel for the differences in sound quality and presentation so you can make an informed decision.

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Old 10th January 2007, 12:23 PM   #3
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Thanks for the info Toaster,
I bid on a Systemdek IIx yesterday on EBay but lost out. It had the original Profile arm and a wooden Grado cartridge. My budget is $300.00 it went for over that price. I wouldn't mind spending more if it had a Rega arm and a better cartridge. The owner knew nothing of the wood Grado cartridge.
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IMy budget is $300.00 it went for over that price. I wouldn't mind spending more if it had a Rega arm and a better cartridge. The owner knew nothing of the wood Grado cartridge.
Kip,
Have a look at the results of a Google search for Lenco turntable/tt. Read how to turn an ebay less than $125 tt into something truly good....you will have to spend waaay over your budget to better it. And it is built like a tank and should cause no probs to bring close to its true potential.
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Old 10th January 2007, 05:31 PM   #5
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Have a look at the results of a Google search for Lenco turntable/tt. Read how to turn an ebay less than $125 tt into something truly good....you will have to spend waaay over your budget to better it. And it is built like a tank and should cause no probs to bring close to its true potential.
Thats what i did.
These old L75 Lenco's are indestructable. The Lenco arms is unusable. I put a Decca International arm on mine, but I would guess that stocks have been exausted by now. Any of the Linn or Rega arms will fit. If you build it right this should at least match the Thorens, and will probably better it.

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Old 10th January 2007, 05:43 PM   #6
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Thanks,
There is a thread on Audiogon that I've been reading that is exactly what both of you are saying. I looked on EBay for a Lenco and saw that they were going for over $125.00. I then thought the arm would be $150.00 plus a cartridge $100.00, tone arm cable, etc. and then the assembly.
So I strayed away. I will still consider this route if I can't find something in my budget. I am just finishing a TDA1541A/S2 dac.
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Old 10th January 2007, 06:00 PM   #7
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Unfortunately Lencos are a victim of that Audiogen thread, and Ebay is going to be the last place to find a cheap one now.
Lencos where the standard deck for consoles back in the 70's. A trip round the charity shops/thrift stores might be in order.

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Old 10th January 2007, 06:43 PM   #8
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I went to a charity shop yesterday and all that was there was an older realistic and some cheaper kenwood. There are a few more shops I will try to get to this weekend.

I forgot to mention, there is another Systemdek IIx900 on Ebay with a RB250 arm and a Goldring 1012GX cartridge, but it is in the U.K and uses 220v and 50Hz. I need 110v and 60Hz.
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Don't know how many Lencos i've turned into record cleaning platforms -- guess the next one i'll have to R&R and see how it does.

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Old 10th January 2007, 09:53 PM   #10
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Don't know how many Lencos i've turned into record cleaning platforms
I read about it with tears in my eyes...

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guess the next one i'll have to R&R and see how it does.
the thing is worth to give it a try.

For more information and discussion have a look at www.lenco-lovers.com/forum

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