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Old 5th October 2002, 06:57 PM   #1
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Unhappy Cleaning my records (HELP!)

I am trying to clean the records I just got from my parents. The were -VERY- dirty..

I am using homebrew antistatic fluid made of 1 part alcohol, 3 parts demi-water and a few drops dishwashing soap.

I clean the record using a painting-brush with very fine natural hairs. After washing, I rinse the record with demi water. Then, I dry off the record using a soft leather cloth (i don't know how to call it).

Somehow, it isn't working, it only gets worse! although the records appear cleaner at sight, they "sound" al lot more dusty than before! the cracking becomes way louder!

Can anyone tell me what i'm doing wrong??!

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Old 5th October 2002, 07:10 PM   #2
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I don't know what demi-water is but you shouldn't be putting alcohol on your discs. From what I remember, it chemically reacts with the vinyl and does bad things.

I've always used dishwashing detergent and washed them under running water. You absolutely NEED the continuous water flow to rinse away the dirt and debris.

Also, you should brush in the direction of the grooves, not across them. I've used a brush with bristles somewhere in stiffness between a painters brush and a scrub brush.
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I have used running luke warm water with a couple of drops of YES and an old used record brush of velvet. Then I have moved the brush concentric, in the track direction. Avoid to get the labels wet.

Rinse in water and dry the record in a towel.

Skip the alcohol part at first. My trick have worked very good for me.

Since we talk about records. Try to get in hold of the old DECCA brush carbon fibre. The newer ones had thinner brush. Clean the brush in chemical clean petrol, "oktane", bensin, benzine once a year or so. Lasts forever. My is since the 70'!
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Chamois is the word you are looking for. Try one of those micro-fiber cloths instead. They work great.
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Old 6th October 2002, 04:47 AM   #5
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For two decades I've been using a solution of 1 part isoproptl alcohol, 3 parts pure water (NOT tap water) and a very small amount of wetting agent. Photoflow will do, a drop or two per litre of mix.

As for the claim of alcohol damaging records, it's not true. Perhaps if you leave the stuff on the disc in high concetrations, but not for a wash. I base my opinion for this on using the solution I mentioned for such a long time that damage would surely be noticed by now. To satisfy others, I have a friend who was a chemist at CSIRO, and a vinylhead, and he did lots of tests and found it was the best stuff for cleaning, to get rid of grease anf mould.

Don't use dishwashing detergent, it leaves a residue in the disc that's hard to get off even with a a vacuum, and over time attracts more gunk. Personal experience, and research by Art Dudley of Listener who is an industrial chemist.

Use a brush with moderate bristles. If they're synthetic, make sure they have round ends. Cheap medium toothbrushes are good for this. Buy a few cheap, cut the heads off and stick them to a handle so you can do the whole width of the playing surface at a time. Brush WITH the grooves, not matter how stubborn the gunk. Two or 3 washes are better than scrubbing across the grain.

If you really want to do it right, buy an old DD TT with a strong motor, and make a fitting for the end of your vacuum cleaner. Easy to make: small length of appropriate diameter PVC pipe, with a length slightly longer than the playing surface and plugged at the end. Cut a narrow slot in the length of it (radius the edges) and glue some velvet up around the sides so that at no time can anything but the velvet touch the surface of the LP. A record clamp and a chaois mat are the only other bit you need. Oh, and a vacuum. A standard domestic vac will do. Get one from the Salvation Army/Goodwill so your SO doesn't bitch about you using it this way. Replace the chamois and velvet bits about every 200LPs or when they get grubby. Total cost was 1 days effort, and about $A100. VPI and NG RCMs are about 10-15x this much here.

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As for the claim of alcohol damaging records, it's not true. Perhaps if you leave the stuff on the disc in high concetrations, but not for a wash.
Yes, totally chemical pure isopropanol (not a bought magical mixture) is good. It leaves no marks when I clean pcb's but forbidden freon was better...

I have had very little problems with the simple dishwash detergent YES.
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Great! thank you guys So all in all I have to stop using the diswashing detergent... Someone alredy told me I should use the cheapest detergent available, because they dont have weird additions...

Demi water is is the dutch word for demineralised water, also known als destilled water, pure water, name it... I can get chemically cleaned water which is used in cleanroom laboratories I believe it will do the job for my records

I'll try to find some YES dishwashing detergent here in Holland... but I doubt it is available.

Anyway, Thanx for all the advice!

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I'll try to find some YES dishwashing detergent here in Holland... but I doubt it is available.
Yes is manufactured by Procter & Gamble, multi national company. You must have it in your country.

Yes is also good to wash the dishes, in fact the best (here in Sweden).
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Hi,

Personally I stick with Brett's recipe (for the passed 15 years) and apply LAST to all my vinyl and styli.
If you don't want to invest in a professional cleaning machine a la
Monks or VPI I always found the Knowin Antistat very useful.
Don't use the liquid supplied but use something like Brett's recipe.
Last time I checked this apparatus is still available in Germany although perhaps under another name.(HH style)
The LAST product are to be found in the USA,don't know of any European sources.
Always use demineralized water (farmacy,labgrade),never use tap water since it will leave gunk (calciumdepot) in the grooves.

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Hi,

I also use the isopropyl alcohol / water / lab detergent. The alcohol does not chemically attack the vinyl but can have some effect on the plasticizers that can be dissolved. So it is wise not to have it a long tme there.

I always had nice results on getting rid of pops and so on, but the overall sound after washing is a lot worse than the original unwashed. So I have just stoped the washing.

Read something the other day about washing degrading the sound that confirmed this.
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