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Old 11th March 2004, 08:05 AM   #21
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Default AT cartridges.

Hi Ingvar,
Which of the following cartridges sounds best.
The AT 440ML , AT110 , AT95 . Is the difference between the AT440ML and AT95 worth the increase in price ( over double the price )?

I have a Technics EPA-101S tone arm on a TD124AB turntable. I am about to put in a SME 3009 SII on it. Any idea how good the EPA was suposed to be ?
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Old 11th March 2004, 08:53 AM   #22
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Hi Ingvar,
Which of the following cartridges sounds best.
The AT 440ML , AT110 , AT95 . Is the difference between the AT440ML and AT95 worth the increase in price ( over double the price )?

I have a Technics EPA-101S tone arm on a TD124AB turntable. I am about to put in a SME 3009 SII on it. Any idea how good the EPA was suposed to be ?
Thanks.
Cheers.
Ashok.
Due to compliance the AT440ML suits lighter mass arms, than
the AT110E/AT95E both of which suit highish mass arms.

The tip of the AT440ML will last at least three times as long and
other issues aside it will give far less tracing distorstion than the
cheaper cartridges. Added to the fact the AT440ML has a much
lower tip mass (cantilever + nude mounting), thus a higher tip
mass / vinyl compliance resonant frequency, basically treble
performance should be in a different league to the cheaper
cartridges.

The Technics arm I not familiar with, but I'm not a fan of the
SME 3009 SII and wouldn't expect it to be a clear improvement.

The AT440ML ideally needs a low mass fixed headshell arm,
suitable types have already been covered in this thread.

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Old 11th March 2004, 09:06 AM   #23
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Yes the 440 is worth the price diffs and stick with the EPA it is way better than a 3009 ( I got me flame-proofs on )

AT info posted to what I think is your last known email address but let me know either way.
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Old 11th March 2004, 12:09 PM   #24
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The 440 i haven´t heard, 110 is similar to 95 but a little more refined. These are fun dynamic budget cartridges but not in the same class as Your TD124 EPA/SME TT. The EPA was favourably reviewed when new. I have only heard it at a coupple of fairs under lousy conditions. Verry good mechanically. I think the SME is far better than todays opinion has it. But mate it with the right cartridge, not the AT 110/95. I like the Denon DL103/SME3009 combination
but that cartridge is six times the price of AT 95.
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Old 17th March 2004, 06:30 AM   #25
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Default Which of the following cartridges sounds best.

@ashok

The AT440ML Much much better/worth it!
I have it installed in a Thorens TD 180. You can get it for around 99 USD. It has a very clear sound, low tracing distortion, somewhat bright, low surface noise and a tight extended bass. It does like a low to medium mass tonearm.

Wipes up the floor with those other carts IMHO! I had Grado Red in the Thorens before and replaced it with the AT. Glad I did! But asking which is better really has a lot to do with your table and arm mass. That has to be factored in.

Example: When the Grado Red was installed ocassionally the cart/arm combo would just "take off". Resonate somewhere around 15 to 20Hz. My woofers where just flapping away! With the AT440 no such problem. I'm not knocking the Grado. It's a fine cartridge. You just have the right cart for the right arm. Damn resonance!

So to answer your question the AT440ML is far better.

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Old 17th March 2004, 07:06 AM   #26
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stick with the EPA it is way better than a 3009 ( I got me flame-proofs on )
He, he. Dunno about that particular EPA but as a past owner of an EPA500 i can confidently say it was the weakest arm i've ever had. A 3009 will walk all over it musically and it really complements the 124 character, both visually and sound-wise.
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Hi Peter

Well I'll know soon enough I should have one in the near future .
Can't remember you saying anything positive about anything Japanese , correct me if I'm wrong.
Just what does meet with your approval ??
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Old 17th March 2004, 09:32 AM   #28
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Default Thanks for all the information.

Keith I got the pdf's . Thanks.

This is confusing. I would have loved to mount both arms on the Thorens but I don't think that is possible without damaging the turntable.

I will also get an AT 440ML.

I just tried my new LM394 based MC preamp with my AT30E. The AT3200XE sounds better with a 1K load than than the AT30E with 33 ohm load. Can't figure out why because both are NOS cartridges.
I felt the 3200 has more Hf .. "air"... .
But there is currently a problem with the MC stage. With HF transients ( like cymbals) the sound gets mushy. This I think is HF burst oscillation . Must now put it on a scope.
Gosh this is taking up too much of my time. I need to reschedule my work.
Thanks for all the suggestions. I musn't forget to mention that my EPA101S tone arm is quite solid . Nothing weak about it. It also sounds good as it is. It sounds even better with fluid damping that I use. Cleans up the rest of the image also.
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He, he. Dunno about that particular EPA but as a past owner of an EPA500 i can confidently say it was the weakest arm i've ever had. A 3009 will walk all over it musically and it really complements the 124 character, both visually and sound-wise.
Would strongly disagree. I used one of these for years with several Dynavector Diamonds and (even better) several Technics MMs. It may not have been "exciting" or "musical" or what-have-you, but it made records sound more like master tapes than any other arm I ever used- including the 3009. I've got a Linn Ittok now, but would go back to the Technics in a second if it were still around.
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Old 17th March 2004, 01:12 PM   #30
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Hi Sy,
It has now really got me worried. It's going to take a lot of effort and time and money to install the 3009. If the EPA is really better than the 3009 , maybe I should put the 3009 on another turntable.
My EPA101S is probably an inexpensive Technics tone arm. I bought it in Tokyo in used equipment shop - NOS arm. Someone who had it never used it and got rid of it.

Have you ever seen this arm ?
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