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griff 31st March 2002 03:46 AM

Pioneer direct drive PL-200
Worth saving??? ive got one that has been passed on to me and has been gathering dust in the cupboard. Is it worth doing up? I would really like a TT so that i can buy the Slipknot LP hehehe

surf,sun&sound 31st March 2002 04:34 AM

Any Turntable is Better Than None!!

I am not familiar with the PL-200, I know that of course, this is not an "audiophile quality" turntable for sure, but it definitely is a good place to start down the path of vinyl addiction.

There is really nothing damaging about playing vinyl on an inexpensive turntable, since your real area of concern is the cartridge. Here is where you can kill a LP if you go cheap. I have seen too many people spend a lot of many for a turntable and then blow it out the window with a cheap and nasty needle.

If the turntable is in working condition, get it out, clean up, have the bearings lubed and adjusted, to take out any slop. Then spend your money on a good cartridge, minimum of $100AU, you can always move that cartridge to a better turntable, but more importantly your are minimizing wear and tear on your LP's, not mention better sound quality. Sounds like a lot of money to spend for a cartridge(after you are truly addicted, you won't have second thoughts about spending tens times that amount) , but remember, that you can pick up about 5 LP's for the price of one CD, so it evens out very quickly.

A good choice for your turntable would the Garrott Bros. K-1 or K-2, locally made(Australian) cartridges that are very good quality for the price, and sell from about $130AU to $200AU. I have also used some of the Ortofon and Sumiko cartidge on these less expensive turntables with good results.

I have had a lot of fun with Technics turntables, they are very good value for money, and to get better, you need to move up to around the $600+ mark.

Get this turntabe into your system and you will have a blast not only listening to old vinyls, but all the fun that goes with finding them.


Surf, Sun & Sound

griff 31st March 2002 04:38 AM

ummm, the oldest music im really into would be some old metallica on Lp or simliar, old Korn on Lp would be a dream.

$100 will take a bit of time to get, im currently in the midst of these speakers and subbie, i need to sell some existing kit.

surf,sun&sound 31st March 2002 04:51 AM

I know the feeling!!

I know how you feel, I absolutely flipped when I heard for the first time how much a good cartridge could cost, and thought people were nuts for paying that much. It can be a pill to swallow.

If you are having trouble finding the funds for such a purchase, I more than understand. But it is still important to get the best you can afford. But just as important to get the turntable into your system to see the value of vinyl and justify spending the money for a better cartridge.

So, get the turntable out, buy the best cartridge that your budget will allow, get it into your system, and start spinning vinyl. Just be a little more conscientious about keeping your LP's clean with a less expensive cartridge to prevent excessive groove damage.

Start listening to vinyl, and you understand the fatal attraction of those big black discs.


Surf, Sun & Sound

griff 1st April 2002 07:42 AM

found a pic on the net, any new thoughts?

mrfeedback 1st April 2002 08:56 AM

Hello Griff, The Pioneer that you have is perfectly fine enough.
Faults with this series included noisey speed switch contacts, and noisey speed adjustment pot.
If the switch pins are badly blackened/oxidised, you may need to replace it.
If it has original Audio Technica cartridge, these are quite fine with eliptycal stylus assembly.
Cheap mods are to bitumin coat/deaden the underside of the platter, and a telephone book on top of the perspex cover when playing loud.
Enjoy it .... for now !

Regards, Eric.

surf,sun&sound 1st April 2002 09:26 AM

My Apologies

I as normal seemed to have had a brain lapse and thought that you had a Technics turntable instead of a Pioneer. Not that it makes your turntable any less applicable to your purpose, it is still a very good starting point to enjoy vinyl. You will I am sure want to upgrade to a better turntable sooner or later, but till then with a bit of care, maintenance, and some tweaks, this turntable will do fine.

I am not as familiar with Pioneer turntables as I am Technics, so take the next few sentences with a grain of salt.

It is direct drive, so you have eliminated belt problems, which give you headaches on entry level units, but I do not think it is the very good direct drive system used in the Technics where the platter is part of the armature.

The tonearm bearing system is very servicable, much of the complaints of this mass produced tone arm are because no one keeps up with the bearings, by keeping them greased and the slack adjusted out. I have found that it is best if you use a very heavy grease, axle or wheel bearing grease works best, since it can act as a vibration isolator, something a thin oil cannot do.

Again spend as much as you can on a good cartridge, take a long look at the Garrott Bros line, extremely good value for money. the Ortofon OM Super series are also great for this type of turntable, I am sure that if you put out a plea for help there will be plenty of people with good recommendations.

You should vist TNT Audio - - they have quite a large resource of tips and tweaks for improving your turntable. With some tweaks you will be amazed what you will get from this turntable.


Surf, Sun & Sound

griff 1st April 2002 11:44 AM

sounding good guys, would my choice of music have any effect on my choice of cartridge?

mrfeedback 1st April 2002 12:10 PM


Originally posted by griff
sounding good guys, would my choice of music have any effect on my choice of cartridge?
"Slipknot LP, old metallica on Lp or simliar, old Korn on Lp ."

Hmmm......... Nope. :D

griff 1st April 2002 12:19 PM

what can i saw, im new to TT

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