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Old 14th May 2016, 11:54 AM   #1
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Default What do you know about the original Neumann DST Cartridges and their Copies?

Are these cartridges 'lusted after' because they are extinct and survivors almost unobtanium? Are the alleged copies such as Lumiere and Tzar in your analogue dreams because of their alleged ethereal performance, not to speak of their cost?

These cartridges - the Neumann originals and their remakes - seemingly by their design, appear to have turned moving coil cartridge design on its head so to speak.

Among their features - this type of cartridge is heavy, their VTF is around 5g (I get squeamish when mc cartridges have to track at 2.5g+), they have extra long cantilevers and their air core? coils appear to be situated close to the stylus - what about tip mass?

I have read about the alleged dramas surrounding the Japanese Lumiere cartridges and the 'romance' of the current 'top of the pops' Tzar cartridges constructed by a clever and highly skilled Russian gentleman in his ice-covered Siberian workshop.

Anyone here care to fill me in and errr...enrich my life with pleasant dreams
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I know that Audio Technica have just launched this AT-ART1000 - Direct Power Stereo Moving Coil Cartridge | Audio-Technica which is a similar principle (coils on the tip). Sadly 4x what I could imagine paying for a cartridge.
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Old 14th May 2016, 04:15 PM   #3
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Thanks for the link, billshurv

Me neither - ain't got this kind of dosh. Only if I sell my wife, dog, car and house.

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The AT looks like a conventional high performance MC to me, and nothing like the DST in the few pictures I have seen. Just a bit too pricey for me at the moment, Bill probably knows what that means.. lol

I think the Tsar cartridges are fascinating, unfortunately I doubt I have anything that would work well with such a cartridge. (Certainly not the arms I use on a daily basis and I doubt the Schick would be the best match either)
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Looks like I was mistaken. I was able to find some better pictures on AA so I can see what is going on.. Definitely unconventional generator structure.

Check it out here: RE: New AT ART-1000 WOW! - John Elison - Vinyl Asylum
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Old 15th May 2016, 10:49 PM   #6
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. Just a bit too pricey for me at the moment, Bill probably knows what that means.. lol
Well in your case a bit like the freak brothers 'cartridges in times of no money is better than money in times of no cartridges'
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Spot on.. lol

This seems to be a good time for exotic phono cartridges.
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Default Neumann DST-62

See post #46.

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Old 16th May 2016, 06:59 PM   #9
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Thanks for the replies and links guys

I am tempted to make a little experiment. Now where's my lab coat?

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Old 17th May 2016, 04:39 PM   #10
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I know that Audio Technica have just launched this AT-ART1000 - Direct Power Stereo Moving Coil Cartridge | Audio-Technica which is a similar principle (coils on the tip). Sadly 4x what I could imagine paying for a cartridge.

Yes, this is the best way to increase the moved mass of the whole system as high as possible and keep the output as low as possible without the construction beeing similar to a cutter head.
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