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Old 27th August 2014, 12:12 AM   #21
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At this point, I'm probably going to limit my choices to the AT33PTGII and the Benz MC Gold. Both of these cartridges are warmly reviewed, and both are currently available. The down side of the Benz is the aluminum cantilever, but it's also less expensive than the AT33, unless I compare it to the AT33 option w/elliptical stylus and aluminum cantilever. Next up is looking at the compliance of each cartridge to see how it lines up with the effective mass of my available tonearms.
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Old 27th August 2014, 10:19 PM   #22
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LP Gear sells ATOC9 II - think about it >> +-350$.
Is better than III which is designed for tonearms with low effective mass.
33PTG I was very, very good. II is not as good as was I.
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Old 27th August 2014, 11:27 PM   #23
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Denon DL103 is very bad choice, it is worst MC cartridge in the world..

Most people never heard anything better..
Would disagree on worst. Own several different including a BENZ and LYRA KLEOS. For DIY projects I personally don't put those at risk. The Denon fits the bill.

However, I just looked at pricing and it isn't as much of a good deal as it was, so there are probably better ones out there.

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Old 28th August 2014, 12:03 AM   #24
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Dl103 plays music only with very heavy tonearm.
With medium/low mass tonearm it only 'works'.
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Old 28th August 2014, 01:06 AM   #25
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The correct name for the AT cartridge mentioned by ahaja is the AT-OC9ML/II. It indeed looks interesting, and the price is certainly a steal, especially as you get both a fine line stylus and a boron cantilever for that money. Decisions, decisions...

I have a couple of SME 3009R arms, and a bronze bearing retrofit kit I plan to install on one of them. Would this arm be considered too low mass for your typical MC cartridge? I also plan to use a carbon fiber-loaded headshell, and I'll have to check the weight as compared to the original headshell to estimate its effect on the tonearm mass.
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Old 28th August 2014, 01:17 AM   #26
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A medium compliance LOMC should be pretty happy on a 3009R, I have a Series II which works fairly well even with fairly low compliance MCs. (I also have a Schick and diy'd clone 3012, and at one time owned 3 3009 Series II)

I take it the R has a plastic knife edge in which case the bronze knife edge should be an improvement, otherwise possibly not.
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Old 28th August 2014, 01:38 AM   #27
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Yep, both the 3009Rs have the plastic bearings.
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Old 28th August 2014, 07:06 AM   #28
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especially as you get both a fine line stylus and a boron cantilever for that money
I wouldn't bother too much about the cantilever material; it's not the material that makes the sound, but the way effective tip mass, damping and magnetic construction is combined.

Aluminium also has special advantages, e.g. the diamond tip can be fixed without glue in contrast to boron or diamond cantilevers.
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Old 28th August 2014, 07:20 AM   #29
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Having said that, it still looks like a potentially fine cartridge for the price.
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Old 28th August 2014, 08:58 AM   #30
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If you've got 3009R you don't have to look for more.

Stock internal wire 3009 - if you can just rewire tonearm and solder directly output rca (Neutrik Profi plugs) wire. Use the least joints on the way from cart to preamp as you can. It is one big improvement.
I use for internal wiring thin enamelled winding wires (8x 0.05mm + 4x 0.08mm).
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