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Old 25th April 2014, 02:08 AM   #1
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Have owned pretty well ALL Shures over the decades. They all worked, No arguement. But nothing to write home about either.. Adequate to task, no more, no less. On a Thorens 150 II.
Went thru a succession of Grados. Cleaning lady keot destroying the stylii.
And Fresh carts were same price ~ as replacement Needles.
Similar pricings applied to Shure needles as well.
These guys had a headstart on the Printer ink swindle.
Current Grado Black with an odd slide on mount, bought in 94 and 'shelved' since '96.
Went to resurrect the thing and found that the headshell wires had stuck them selves to the pins. Subsequently the cart pins pulled OFF ! Seems these are metal condoms crimped on over the actual Cart pins... Lovely!
Refitting and reconnection is proving iffy as there are capacitance issues from the crappy connections.
Making for some truly strange sound effects.. Bass as Thud, thud, thud.. No midrange. Happily Deoxit works! and the thing sounds good ..for about a Day!
Which is untenable.. frankly.
Soooo. Who makes a decently engineered /assembled Cart these days.. for less than foolish pricings?
As aside can one buy replacement Needles for a Shure? That are neither 6X the initial cost of the cartridge, Or not made by the peoples' Lucky Needle and Noodle Enterprise?
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Old 25th April 2014, 02:17 AM   #2
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Google "Jico SAS stylus" for info. Here's something to wet your appetite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgnW4NGOp28

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Old 25th April 2014, 02:59 AM   #3
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Thank you for the input, it is appreciated
But $300+ for the needle? Unlikely
I'd buy a Denon.. Wayyy before that.
Restating that I've owned pretty well ALL the shures over the years.
Even their V15 at $125 proved as overpriced for the sound quality generated.
Simply not understanding their elevation to Great.. Now.
Selective memory/nostalgia?
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Old 25th April 2014, 03:22 AM   #4
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Simply not understanding their elevation to Great..
I never really liked them.

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Old 25th April 2014, 11:37 AM   #5
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Bare,

"for less than foolish pricings?"

What do you consider this amount to be?



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Old 25th April 2014, 01:37 PM   #6
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You can get a Denon high output mc for a pretty reasonable price.

As far as "reasonable" goes, there is no such thing in the cartridge world. Many years ago (back in the 80's) I worked at the now defunct Circuit City, which was an early big box electronics store. Their top end AT cart, which was the AT12 something, maybe Sa .. anyway, the cart sold for about $225US. The store cost, which employees could purchase items at cost, was only about $20US. The markup was staggering! Stereo cabinets... A teak wood stereo cabinet that sold for over $450, less than $100 store cost.

The markup on any cart is mind boggling, so when you say "reasonable".... HAHA! Different perspective I suppose. It's a rigged game.
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Old 25th April 2014, 04:29 PM   #7
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There is the ED Saunders replacement stylus.
Shure Replacement Styli. World renown Ed Saunders stylus.
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Old 25th April 2014, 07:00 PM   #8
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And Fresh carts were same price ~ as replacement Needles.
Similar pricings applied to Shure needles as well.
These guys had a headstart on the Printer ink swindle.
Current Grado Black with an odd slide on mount, bought in 94 and 'shelved' since '96.
Hi,

Not really, bodies cost far less than the good styli.
Nowadays Grado have a very good line in swindling
their customers by charging loads for the bodies of
the more expensive cartridges which are barely
different to the bodies used for cheaper cartridges.

The Black is OK, but no great shakes IMO, though
it can suit certain budget systems extremely well.
(Discontinued NOS good Grado styli are an idea.)

YMMV but I like the Saunders Red Ed Elliptical ;
Ed Saunders Red Ed Cartridge
over the Black at less than half the price.

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FWIW I've never rated Shures much. I like AT's generally,
the AT92E is the budget cartridge for TP4 or lower
mass arms, and the AT95E the budget cartridge for
higher mass standard arms with range of styli available.
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Old 25th April 2014, 08:14 PM   #9
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Back when I owned a retail audio store, we loved the Grado carts. Why? Oh, the one that retailed for $50 cost us $4.23. Markups for the other models were quite similar. You wondered why you got one "free" with your turntable? Yeah, Sure M91 was similar.
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Old 25th April 2014, 09:36 PM   #10
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Grado used to have a trade in program - send in a cart, working or not, and they give you a discount on a new one (doesn't have to be the same model)
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